PVP Supporter Pack - Chris responded 7/10 & 7/11 & 7/12

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dalb3 wrote:

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Im sorry to say your making a lot of assumptions as to what went on behind the scenes with the whole greendude PvP patch. I was involved in helping them balance PvP and it dosnt work at all like youd expect. We would get very little input, we would get very few tools to test new balance changes, we would get very little communication from GGG. Look at this thread if you dont remember what the PvP patch was like https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1150151/page/1 Specificly my reply on page 4. GGG isnt going to just work on the things we want they are going to do PvP their way with our money.

If GGG actually cared about drawing in new PvPers to the game they would add things like the Hostile button back to the game. All they need to do is cater to the already very large dark souls community who love Invasions, Ganks, Fight clubs, Tournaments ect. If you're not familiar with any of that stuff check it out on youtube. PvP is a legitimate solution to the current lack of end game content in POE and GGG has said time and time again they arnt going to work on it and they dont understand why it isnt popular. Giving them more money isnt going to fix that unfortunately.

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Dethklok wrote:

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dalb3 wrote:

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In hindsight, I alone, would personally grief farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr too many people, I'm talking about 9-14 hours straight, Every single day, endless camping, As I'm very vindictive.

And there's less than a handful of players who can reliability beat me, Plus, I'm pretty sure, In my defense, I'm also publicly hated.

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1Tokimeki2003 wrote:

And there's less than a handful of players who can reliability beat me,

Were pvp actually balanced or popular at all this wouldn't be the case.

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Dethklok wrote:

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1Tokimeki2003 wrote:

And there's less than a handful of players who can reliability beat me,

Were pvp actually balanced or popular at all this wouldn't be the case.

Perhaps, but we're among, the wealthiest/ best geared players in game.

If I sit at cruel twilight strand etc, There's very little chance, We'll ever lose...

But then, I'll liked to see what does the community brings to the table, 3g prismatic Wb? Or O-F vortex degen? Path of Bv/ Ea/ La/ Bf miners? hmph, Will be interesting.

Saying that, Bv/ Ea/ La/ Bf miners? Ea is the only one in list with T values.

Lib we're not talking about who can beat who, stop it. Let it go. <3

Deth, I can't speak on back then because I wasn't in alpha or anything. I'm just speaking my mind of how things read from my perspective. Greendude's "report" was super depressing hahaha.

I know this is just my opinion but I just don't see it as wasting money any more so than any other supporter pack. I don't want a tshirt or art, I want pvp fixed. If I give up mtx's I probably won't use, art I probably won't ever look, and a tshirt that will be sitting at the bottom of a drawer for a chance to fix PVP, then my money is doing much more good. Again, in my opinion! :) All love, dude.

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1Tokimeki2003 wrote:

Perhaps, but we're among, the wealthiest/ best geared players in game.

If I sit at cruel twilight strand etc, There's very little chance, We'll ever lose...

This is true but thats not quite how invasions or hostile works. Invasions in dark souls are based on soul level and weapon upgrade level so your always matched to someone similar to you. Invading and going hostile in D2 could only be done to pub games or if you were invited/knew the password to someone's game. But the counter to that is always someone setting you up with a Gank aka them and 4 friends waiting to ambush you which would be fun as fuck in poe!

Unfortunately, once upon a time, GGG gave a guy like Greendude a chance to make something out of poe pvp. Combine this cruel fact by GGG assigning some random inexperienced/inadequate dev to be responsible for the whole thing and we end up with the current situation.

Like some have mentioned, the few dozen supporter packs we might be able to gather mean _nothing_ in the grand scheme of things. A single coder with minimum wage accomplishes absolutely nothing in a complex situation such as this.. Also, GGG actually has buttloads of money to spare and it has made clear it doesn't want to support the pvp aspect of their game (which indeed, is utterly dumb since there is a lot of potential).

Granted this gets enough attention, this particular proposition might encourage GGG to invest in to pvp again. This I see very unlikely though, although they must recognize their first attempt at making pvp popular was a shallow one at best. You can't create anything proper with the wrong people.

Thanks for the comment Lapiz. I understand your points but if this pack actually came to fruition, is this something you would get?

I still don't get you guys obsession with an Hostile button. I don't know how it work in Dark Soul serie but if it's like Diablo 2 (and I played that game a LOT) what do you think will happen ? Do you really expect the person you hostile will fight you back ? Probably 2% of them will do that, the 98% others will TP in town and create another instance without you and you'll never see them again. And god forbid this would work in map, Reddit would go absolute apeshit if you could waste people maps this way.

Also on this internet daya, your account name probably gonna end up on some kind of blacklist excluding you from trades, rotations or anything socially related with countless forum post about removing this feature.

Seriously this is the most intrusive and unfun way of pvp, how would that push people to try it ? I see only the opposite happening.

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IceDeal wrote:

I still don't get you guys obsession with an Hostile button. I don't know how it work in Dark Soul serie but if it's like Diablo 2 (and I played that game a LOT) what do you think will happen ? Do you really expect the person you hostile will fight you back ? Probably 2% of them will do that, the 98% others will TP in town and create another instance without you and you'll never see them again. And god forbid this would work in map, Reddit would go absolute apeshit if you could waste people maps this way.

Also on this internet daya, your account name probably gonna end up on some kind of blacklist excluding you from trades, rotations or anything socially related with countless forum post about removing this feature.

Seriously this is the most intrusive and unfun way of pvp, how would that push people to try it ? I see only the opposite happening.

In Dark souls if you havnt killed the boss of an area you are open to being invaded and if you have other players helping you in your party your chances of being invaded go up. Invades have less life and fewer flasks than the host and you can only invade 10 levels below your own or 20 levels above there are similar restriction to wepon level as well. Go watch a dark souls stream some time or check out their subreddit because theres a whole community of people that enjoy this kind of play. D2 pvp would not have been as popular if all you had were boring honor duels. If you worried about kiddies QQing on the reddits we might as well shut the whole game down.