[HLD] Libritannia Vs lapriz (Video)

That talisman thing has not been my idea but as i have mentioned it you rupenus were just laughing at my comment and now you are asking him if he is using that?aaanyways.

Nice match guys. There is skill involved in pvp otherwise either lapiz or libri could just give their gear to any newbie and there will still be close matches.

The roa does not seem to do much dmg though is it just utility in your setup or isn`t it all that great?
Last edited by Heelon#0494 on Jan 14, 2016, 6:07:07 AM
Soo yeah I came up with this before the leagues even started. It is actually perhaps the most significant HLD balance change since... ever? Kinda funny how people laughed at it when it came out for the first time in the forums.. ;s

In reality its the first time we actually have a chance at beating EA in for a long time?

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hauntworld1 wrote:

That's interesting, i'am wondering if when using for exemple the talisman that gives 50% of fire damage taken as lightning, when the 50% gets converted the EA user has fpen equipped, which means that all the fire damage has penetration when shooting. But when the damage gets converted when the opponent gets hit by an EA explosion for exemple, is the 50% converted part still boosted by the inition 100% fire + penetration or it's rolled seperatly without penetration since it is now lightning received. If this is positive then that is a very good thing to know since that would decrease a lot of incoming damage. That would also work for all types of builds... this needs clarification.


It's damage conversion. It also applies only to damage taken, so it works similarly to vulnerability and shock in a sense. There is nothing to clarify really.. It works exactly as it reads out.
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Heelon wrote:
That talisman thing has not been my idea but as i have mentioned it you rupenus were just laughing at my comment and now you are asking him if he is using that?aaanyways.

Nice match guys. There is skill involved in pvp otherwise either lapiz or libri could just give their gear to any newbie and there will still be close matches.

The roa does not seem to do much dmg though is it just utility in your setup or isn`t it all that great?


even those talismans couldnt cure the cancer dude! lapiz won 1 match out of 20. maybe he'll do better in future. im hoping.

all good grandmarter, im chilled now.

i started hoarding conversion talismans long ago, but as i said i dont think they cant be universal answer to EA. they can be just last touch to a well polished, well built build
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Last edited by Rupenus#5905 on Jan 14, 2016, 6:33:57 AM
There is also this unique talisman with 100% fire converted to lightning.
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Last edited by hauntworld1#6496 on Jan 14, 2016, 6:58:30 AM
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hauntworld1 wrote:
There is also this unique talisman with 100% fire converted to lightning.


the Eyes of the greatwolf is randomly generated from any two talisman mods which are then doubled. My point is 100% fire can be also converted to cold as one of the mods.

Also I enjoyed the vid, thx for posting. Lapiz really seems quite resilient to the wall spam.
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Last edited by missuse#0603 on Jan 14, 2016, 7:21:06 AM
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Rupenus wrote:

but as i said i dont think they cant be universal answer to EA. they can be just last touch to a well polished, well built build


EA is stupidly overpowered even if people do use those talismans. But currently it is literally the only way to deal with it. For this reason it's not just a last touch to a build, its pretty much the core of any build. I think its time to sell those useless mirrored legacy crit multi amus to some pve fanatic. Ok maybe not, they are stil useful against physical damage dealers.



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MullaXul wrote:
Cwdt Flame dash as EA versus another bower....Is that so you can Cwdt Molten explode near him? Have to say this was as bad or worse then that old Hege/Slay team duels versus Missuse/Dub where they literally sat on opposite ends of the screen with no intent to ever move spraying EA/Puncture and traps while Missuse tried to weave through it all to gank a kill on his dagger.

This is like two drunks throwing arm windmills with balled fists, while randomly hopping in circles around one another. Waiting for the other guy to fall over without actually knowing why, so ones the victor. Seriously where's the skill you'd expect from a bow vs bow duel? This is melee range button/flask spam, praying and automated movement.



Molten will explode on a far away opponent, only if the cast speed of Flame Dash + CWDT is high enough (on about or under 0.4 seconds) and the AoE of the Molten good enough. If you take a video of the mechanic and play in slow motion, you may notice that the Molten explosion starts right away, after receiving a hit; but the explosion itself has some time (about 0.2-03 seconds duration, more or less). During this time of the explosion, the Flame Dash has already started (also directly after receiving a hit), and, if the cast speed of Flame Dash is high enough and the AoE of the Molten high enough, then Molten will hit the player; in fact, Molten will hit the opponent at some near distance from him, if its AoE and the Dash speed combination are good enough. Imagine like the Molten explosion AoE "circle" travels along with Flame Dash. Hope you get it.
On the other hand, if the Dash cast speed is slow, Molten will explode, Dash will occur, And the Molten AoE will not reach the player. Of course, the distance between the 2 players plays its part.
I use this too, but not abuse it. To make things right, the Molten explosion should stay in place and not travel with the Dash, around the player. There should be no such thing as a moving explosion area and no real physics could defend such a bug; it's just an explosion. As fun as it is, it's a bug and needs be fixed.
Last edited by aryosgr#3381 on Jan 14, 2016, 8:37:45 AM
Wow i thought the conversion amulet only workedt to fire conversion but apparently I greatly overlooked this.

On top of beeing a real counter to EA, those are also a hard counter to any penetration gem, fire spell beeing at the end of the line because it can only be converted to chaos at the cost of dps and survivability (it's also useless again CI).

This annoying LA shotgun or 6L Tempest Shield, drop a lightning to cold talisman with a purity of Ice and laugh at it... but maybe he converted his dmg to cold... or fire, who knows. New mindgames layer incoming.

Anyway be sur to collect every Life and ES variant of those while they are cheap as it's not sur they will make it to the main game.

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Last edited by IceDeal#5895 on Jan 14, 2016, 3:42:52 PM
While it is great that this will offer a new way to deal with EA, it will also have a major drawback where current active elemental skills that are underused, that are somewhat too weak right now becomes even weaker if someones wear those types of amulet. Top elemental spells will be fine, like firestorm who recently got increased on the gem and it already deals enough damage. But if i take a look for exemple at fireball, magma orb, lightning ball, ice nova, incinerate, righteous fire into the abyss even more even tho its long gone, flame surge even whispering ice could potentially become too weak. Think about freezing pulse, who was the undisputed king of caster pvp not so long ago, became non-used after shotgun removal and this nerfs it even more.. ? idk i think we can say goodbye to it unless these skills receive a damage buff.

They should introduce more conversion gems like cold to fire, a best settup to counter such talismans are with a cold build using cold to fire and both penetration gem, somewhat negates all the talisman conversion unless it converts it to lightning. But unless the guy knows its just gambles.

On another side note this will make people struggle even more against tanky builds, i have a hard time chasing people down with FS and it's worse if they are tanky. This is just going to make it 10 times worst. It favors too much against one build but puts down many options on the side... thats the part that i dislike, i woulda liked a better way to deal with EA than this tbh without affecting so many other skills.
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Last edited by hauntworld1#6496 on Jan 14, 2016, 5:40:58 PM
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hauntworld1 wrote:
While it is great that this will offer a new way to deal with EA, it will also have a major drawback where current active elemental skills that are underused, that are somewhat too weak right now becomes even weaker if someones wear those types of amulet. Top elemental spells will be fine, like firestorm who recently got increased on the gem and it already deals enough damage. But if i take a look for exemple at fireball, magma orb, lightning ball, ice nova, incinerate, righteous fire into the abyss even more even tho its long gone, flame surge even whispering ice could potentially become too weak. Think about freezing pulse, who was the undisputed king of caster pvp not so long ago, became non-used after shotgun removal and this nerfs it even more.. ? idk i think we can say goodbye to it unless these skills receive a damage buff.

They should introduce more conversion gems like cold to fire, a best settup to counter such talismans are with a cold build using cold to fire and both penetration gem, somewhat negates all the talisman conversion unless it converts it to lightning. But unless the guy knows its just gambles.

On another side note this will make people struggle even more against tanky builds, i have a hard time chasing people down with FS and it's worse if they are tanky. This is just going to make it 10 times worst. It favors too much against one build but puts down many options on the side... thats the part that i dislike, i woulda liked a better way to deal with EA than this tbh without affecting so many other skills.


lightning damage is in good shape thanks to call of the brotherhood rings though. for tanky builds im not expert of fire spells but i'd use cwdt flame dash + flame surge. maybe with RF even.
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