Master Crafting Metamods

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Peacemakerex wrote:

If we believe Chris, we are at fault by not discovering the practical applications of the metamods, which is fine. Nevertheless if some people knew of this at some point of and completely disregarded this feature for the use of eternals, is fine too, if they choose to maliciously hide it from the rest of the playerbase is actually even understandable, just as companies hold trade secrets and licenses from their developments, crafters who invested in the discovery should be rewarded, even if it may be considered by some unethical and what not.

Point being is that the game is not ruined, casual players will still be playing in their casual playstyle, as more hardcore players now have new tools to create items for their builds and selling them, even normal players (me included) will have now an excuse to actually use exalts in crafting. All of this relating to the removal of the eternal orb which was actually a deterrent for their use, event that directly will imply that the use of exalts will spike, and with that their price. Fact that some will find alarming, I believe it to be comforting as the market will find balance again all due to actual practices of pricing, as items priced in exalts that will not sale, because of their increased demand, they will have to drop. An so on the market will regulate itself again.

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Tom7i wrote:

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Heli0nix wrote:

As soon you will be a bit more older you will learn there are market rules and laws in real world.

I'm 35 and i know that for quite some time, thank you.

I was talking about accepting your role in the world, either real or virtual. For instance, the traders on Wallstreet use a heap of specific economic information on a daily basis; information a normal Joe Shmoe has no idea about and/or has not even a way of obtaining.

So this Joe Shmoe decides he's getting ripped off by all those scummy bastards on Wallstreet that know things he doesn't and get rich instead of him. So what does he do?

He could go to economic school, learn the trade for about 5 years, spend another 5 years in practicum and then after 10 years of hard work reach the same place where all those bastards are at and get rich himself.

But no, that would be "too much work", so he grabs a megaphone instead, riles up a crowd of other Joe's like him and starts the "Occupy Wallstreet" movement - aka makes a shocking Reddit thread about how smart players get their money... err, currency.

In real life, after about a month the movement loses impetous, the couple of leftover Joes get removed by the police and everyone continues to go about their daily business. In the videogame, about a month from now this will be accepted as common knowledge, many more people will do it and the ones that can't or won't will have to deal with it or give up and cry in a corner. Such is life ;)

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lindaisbestlindaislife wrote:

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eragon1111 wrote:

What i think will happen:

- ex to chaos ratio jumps to 100+++ chaos to 1 ex
- top items will STILL be traded only in exalts
- there will be more gg items that will be ONLY traded in exalts to cover crafting price
- there will be way more WTB EX SPAM
- game will be more NOT FUN for casual players

Have a nice day :)
its friday.

You forgot a couple of steps there.

- Since the prices are so high compared to the buying power, items won't sell.
- People will be forced to sell GG items at a cheaper price unless they want it to rot in their stash.
- Free market corrects itself
- More people have access to good gear.

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kreca73 wrote:

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grepman wrote:

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kreca73 wrote:

why do you people fail to see and talk about the most important part in all of this?.
it's not the recipe itself but the way those 1% had access to what people want, to the demand; the scanning of people inventories and character sheets.
that should be forbidden by GGG 'cause its like everyone getting a cavity search from TSA every few minutes or so.

I agree that this is bad, however I want to see the receipts first. There is no proof inventory and stash of every private profile can be scanned. I work as a software engineer, and i work with databases among other things. Db calls are expensive. Do you know why procurement takes a while to load stash tabs if you have like 100 ? Because poe limits the amount of api calls you can make to limit db load / avoid ddos. And that's when you're LOGGED in in your own account.

I believe VOC with most of his story besides this tidbit. Simply because you'd need a server farm with computing power to reliably mine bitcoins to scan thousands of peoples inventory in real time with timeout limit on Api calls. And you somehow need to access their stash. Poe.trade crawls forum posts, ie items that people made public and linked to stash. We are talking about a tool that can crawl databases in real time, making calls it should never have access to.

What's the last time a noon received a whisper who knew what the noob just picked up?


Now I'm not saying its impossible. maybe there's a hack on item id in a way that you can access others stash. Maybe there's a way to bypass api limit.maybe these guy have a farm to do these things. I'll need some proof first tho

i found 2ex in 1 day(on different chars) and minutes after i traded to have them both on the same char, someone asked me if i'd sell them.
i'm not/was not on any chat nor do i advertised the EX'es. so, tinfoily or not, i found it weird to say the least.

still, based on the specific items they'd craft and put up for sale, in a fresh league(meaning the OP metas are not that well known, hence what the demand will be) i chose to infer that they had more than assumptions(based on their experience, game nohow and whatnot).

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grepman wrote:

Do you know why procurement takes a while to load stash tabs if you have like 100 ? Because poe limits the amount of api calls you can make to limit db load / avoid ddos. And that's when you're LOGGED in in your own account.

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Chris wrote:

A large part of crafting and trading in Path of Exile is access to information.

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fatelessguy wrote:

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vacii wrote:

Before you continue reading make sure you understand my point of view and where it is coming from:
1st - I am a casual player ( i have been playing the game since late 2012 as i can remember correctly to prove that 2 days ago i reached for the first time ever level 87 on my char)
2nd - I have some programming/coding experience which helps me understand how things in the computer world work
3rd and foremost - i just found out this news just now, like most of the community did.

Now Getting all that out of the way i want to express my personal opinion on the matter:

1. blah blah...

I was trying to say exactly the same yesterday, but this guy just made a perfect post, i think nearly exactly the same.

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grepman wrote:

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knac84 wrote:

Come on Chris... failing at reading comprehension and having enough currency to gamble it experimenting is not "cleverness". Only someone who failed at reading comprehension would attempt trying this after reading the patch notes and in-game descriptions. It was poor wording which helped all this fiasco.

having enough currency is not cleverness, yes

I dont know about reading comprehension being the second one though. the wording was a bit ambiguous but technically you dont know which takes which precedence

thing is, tere is always logic involved in vendor costs. when zana map mods were introduced, people were like whos paying all this guap for anarchy mod LULZ. but soon people started using them nonetheless

people were all over the multimod and a lot of people were wondering WHY the suffix/prefix cannot be changed were so expensive. I remember it well. instead of figuring out WHY the cost was that high, people - as USUAL- blamed GGG for 'not knowing the prices' and that 'no one will craft that shit'

if you as much questioned why those mods were so costly and had spare currency to experiment in a league like standard...you would figure it out.

but because of 1)sheep mentality - "reddit/wiki/xyz says it, it MUST be true" 2)unwillingness to test things on your own and being scared for your currency or 3)being poor, people did not do it. their own fault unless they were simply poor or not interested in crafting in general