Map drops - assessment of 2.0.0, and changes coming in 2.0.2

Waiting for GGG to comment.

I agree that the system needs a re-work, maybe even the entire map system needs a re-work. What is really bad though, GGG guys, is that "discussion" in the patch notes. Seriously, I really like this game, but the last days I have spent on making another character Atziri viable rather than playing any maps above 75, because of the mapping system. I was having high hopes for 2.0.2, and all I get as the "discussion" I was waiting for is a single line? We want to play this game! But you make it soooo frustrating.

And now that I want to get that character a few more levels to potentially make it Uber viable, I have to face that map system again. And it makes me cringe. That map system... really, it is a pain, it feels unrewarding, no, it actually feels punishing.

Maybe you should invite a few players into a kind of advisory panel. Players that are not streamers, players that are not GGG employees that know all the details that you are not telling us. And ask them for their opinion. Sometimes it feels like you have no idea of what the player base feels like, and your communication in this forum is... pretty mediocre.

There is no improvement since the patch. Only difference is you can't even get 76 maps in a 76 map. Before I could at least break even ... sort of.

Please make is to we can at least sustain maps higher than lvl 74.

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I am quite happy with the current state of the game with the exception of map loss to bugs, not a HC elitist but map drops are sustainable for me up till 80 maps which I accept is a rare occurrence, I see a lot of comments about rolling maps and building base, however no one mentioned that by building a base you don't run into the situation of running your highest map and your next highest is 4-5 levels lower making the play feel disjointed and making the xp gains from those maps far less useful because of the diminishing returns of xp from maps as you level to higher levels.

I run my maps well over 100 iiq and adopt a more careful playstyle I do believe it is a MMO and partying is intended so pooling maps or doing rotations should yield better results than solo play.

It felt like the drop rate was even worse, if not exactly the same. I lost my entire map pool last night, other than three maps. I didn't get a single +0/1 level map (and only one -1, the rest were much lower level, and maps did drop, just shitty ones). A lot of those maps were bought, and then the currency to roll them and also apply Zana mods (trying to get some returns here)... I lost a lot of currency. Because I have invested a lot into this character, I'm going to continue with it until my currency and maps are all gone, but honestly I don't think I'll get very far or have something to do for very long with the way things are now. Sucks.

Drop rate isn't too bad. There is a problem I'm seeing. Before the change, there was what looked to be an equal chance at pack size/magic/rare of any percent being combined with reflect/low regen/no regen/minus max cap resist. With the changes, you can never get a pack size above 14% without having low regen/no regen/minus max cap resist. Refelect was not carried over. For low life or resist dependent builds that have little or no impact from reflect, we're all stuck with 14% or less pack size. And from what I've seen, pack size plays more of a part, after the changes, in map drop rate versus prior map changes where magic/rare played more of a part.

I'd like to see a tweak where you can still have a decent possibility of map pack size above 14% without having low regen/no regen/minus max cap resist.

It's been a few weeks. The drop rate I was seeing applied to highly modified 77 maps.
The mods for 78 don't have the same problems on mod combos v pack size; but, the drop rate is too low now that I have more data on 78-79 runs. There's no way to sustain anything above 77 without buying them or rerunning low to no xp maps.

The change is very fine. Before the patch I have to stick with my MF Witch (90/ 210 IIQ/IIR) and still find it hard to build up a decent 75-79 pool. Now I can run with my Marauder 0% IIQ and I'm swimming in 75-76s. 80s and above still extremely hard to find, which I believe had matched the purposed of GGG.

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camapngu133 wrote:

The change is very fine. Before the patch I have to stick with my MF Witch (90/ 210 IIQ/IIR) and still find it hard to build up a decent 75-79 pool. Now I can run with my Marauder 0% IIQ and I'm swimming in 75-76s. 80s and above still extremely hard to find, which I believe had matched the purposed of GGG.

Your character's IIQ/IIR has no effect on map drops.

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Holocaustus wrote:

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camapngu133 wrote:

The change is very fine. Before the patch I have to stick with my MF Witch (90/ 210 IIQ/IIR) and still find it hard to build up a decent 75-79 pool. Now I can run with my Marauder 0% IIQ and I'm swimming in 75-76s. 80s and above still extremely hard to find, which I believe had matched the purposed of GGG.

Your character's IIQ/IIR has no effect on map drops.

That's not true. I saw the different, I don't believe in theory.

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camapngu133 wrote:

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Holocaustus wrote:

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camapngu133 wrote:

The change is very fine. Before the patch I have to stick with my MF Witch (90/ 210 IIQ/IIR) and still find it hard to build up a decent 75-79 pool. Now I can run with my Marauder 0% IIQ and I'm swimming in 75-76s. 80s and above still extremely hard to find, which I believe had matched the purposed of GGG.

Your character's IIQ/IIR has no effect on map drops.

That's not true. I saw the different, I don't believe in theory.

lol.. GGG has confirmed that your character IIR/IIQ has no effect, its fact, not theory, however i do not believe you are using that term properly either.