Cyclone now deals 30% less damage

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Jedi_blr wrote:

I read all this and see only bla bla about pvp cyclone -30% nerf(LESS DMG) , some "GURU" now tell me that it is good balance for cyclone , but , u forget that we got 3pl nerf of cyclone in 2.0, 3!!!
1st U ar so lasy, that cant compare gem v 2.0 vs 1.3 , what we got on gem ? right - 80% increase phys dmg, +12% base att dmg , yessss , but GGG nerf all 2H in dmg and u forget this.
2 Cyclone is AOE gem , AOE!!! what we got in 2.0 ? -10% AOE , but this is not only this nrf we got nerf of AOE gem + Conc eff. So cyclone lost AOE part, u forget this too.
3And now we come for -30% nerf in pvp. Show me plz this nerf on any of u gems "GURU"

You are right I think maybe only cast on death been more nerfed than cyclone, but unlike cyclone someone with little investment and cast on death can still 1 shot a lot of players.

It is clear that GGG hate melee.

When for example they start to nerf pve spells and people start to complain they very quick buff the spells back somehow. Ranged? long time we wait for TS nerf in pve or EA in pvp but nothing.

When a melee skill start to be too powerful it s nerfed to the ground, pvp or pve.

About the argument for every noob where using cyclone, have you seen sarn lately?
Almost every dam players are now using EA on swap or just EA.

Why it is not nerfed? Probably someone at GGG really enjoy this troll ranged skill.

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lolozori wrote:

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Jedi_blr wrote:

I read all this and see only bla bla about pvp cyclone -30% nerf(LESS DMG) , some "GURU" now tell me that it is good balance for cyclone , but , u forget that we got 3pl nerf of cyclone in 2.0, 3!!!
1st U ar so lasy, that cant compare gem v 2.0 vs 1.3 , what we got on gem ? right - 80% increase phys dmg, +12% base att dmg , yessss , but GGG nerf all 2H in dmg and u forget this.
2 Cyclone is AOE gem , AOE!!! what we got in 2.0 ? -10% AOE , but this is not only this nrf we got nerf of AOE gem + Conc eff. So cyclone lost AOE part, u forget this too.
3And now we come for -30% nerf in pvp. Show me plz this nerf on any of u gems "GURU"

You are right I think maybe only cast on death been more nerfed than cyclone, but unlike cyclone someone with little investment and cast on death can still 1 shot a lot of players.

It is clear that GGG hate melee.

When for example they start to nerf pve spells and people start to complain they very quick buff the spells back somehow. Ranged? long time we wait for TS nerf in pve or EA in pvp but nothing.

When a melee skill start to be too powerful it s nerfed to the ground, pvp or pve.

About the argument for every noob where using cyclone, have you seen sarn lately?
Almost every dam players are now using EA on swap or just EA.

Why it is not nerfed? Probably someone at GGG really enjoy this troll ranged skill.

Monkey see monkey do community like any other. You beat someone with offhand EA, they get EA etc..etc..etc.

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lolozori wrote:

Why it is not nerfed? Probably someone at GGG really enjoy this troll ranged skill.

Hmm,i think GGG never try to balance HLD. All our trouble come from LLD.

I would like to add something.

It seems now if you don t have 700-800 dps weapons +10k life even with a 20/20 block gem and block reduction on tree cyclone deal 0 damage vs blockers+tempest.

That is not balanced. Of course you could swap the skill gem and use a slow hit, but I never seen those melee blockers swap gems vs anyone.

I don t know why 2h is so weak compared to 1h. Why mediocre shield users can down an average 2h users just by stacking block?

Most 2h melee users will have a 500 dps weapon max and a 500 life kaom.
The game should be balanced around those in pvp.

They buffed block with the jewels, why can t they buff also the block gem or give more block reduction on tree?

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lolozori wrote:

I would like to add something.

It seems now if you don t have 700-800 dps weapons +10k life even with a 20/20 block gem and block reduction on tree cyclone deal 0 damage vs blockers+tempest.

That is not balanced. Of course you could swap the skill gem and use a slow hit, but I never seen those melee blockers swap gems vs anyone.

I don t know why 2h is so weak compared to 1h. Why mediocre shield users can down an average 2h users just by stacking block?

Most 2h melee users will have a 500 dps weapon max and a 500 life kaom.
The game should be balanced around those in pvp.

They buffed block with the jewels, why can t they buff also the block gem or give more block reduction on tree?

For over a year I tried to push the idea for a 2h only universal block reduction cluster. After going through every possible scenario I could think of, it wouldn't break the game. It would be balanced and all 2h needs, no other buffs nor nerfs. It doesn't even need to behuge perhaps 20% and could replace the sword only cluster IMO. 1h sword doesn't need it to still > other weapon types and honestly when it comes to 1h, the dagger being 2nd best has retarded base DMG that should of been lowered long ago. A weapon obviously focused around crit that can hit 90-95% chance fairly ez with 400-600% multipliers safely is just stupid to have such solid base. Bows are in the same boat IMO but do have non crit variants so its harder to justify a Nerf to the base weapon. Why crit Nerf itself is the better option here.

2h builds mostly dead in pvp aspect, but in pve too(dont post info about stupid race POE). And some can say- hey dude i see u on sarn , u kill people effective. Yes i do some respec and new items , but i use mostly ideal set of items , can use top 2h swords , leg kaoms its. What about standart pvper? If he wanna play 2h, but with average items? my 2d char on facebreaker outdmg my 2h in PVE too !!! Nerf of 2h in 2.0 was complex, from aoe to base dmg, to nerf cyclone.If someone wanna test new 2h Heavy strike pls
post here ur impression. We laugh together :)

Sith, cyclone is actually very strong in pve now. Can get great range and it's actually quite fun again and even though your tooltip wont me 1mill, you can easily break 100k and it'll clear really fast