You know, I WAS excited for torment LLD pvp

Another johnKeys classic. When I used to check Gameplay Discussion threads, I always had a blast reading your posts.

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A222 wrote:

For less than an ex that templar has insane gear. Barring +1 to socketed gems on gloves and boots, just spend 10c on a new sceptre, 5c on a belt, change up tree and gem setups, and you have a viable LLD.

If you're still willing, add me up @PrettyBoySwagTMT and I'll help you in fixing that temp up.

Maybe tomorrow, PvP really pissed me off today. Played D3 most of today to try out the new season before I started slamming my head into my desk and quit it again.

Why a sceptre though? Wouldn't reverb wand's +1 to empower and arc outdue most other weapons damage? Not to mention the free echo?

reverberation rod is pretty bad. Its a decent if you are just starting but it gets beaten by far by any decent rare.

for example provides much more damage than the reverberation rod

They should level require 29+ anything that breaks 28 pvp imo. Clearly stuff that costs exalt+ does.

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jcostello1 wrote:

man. You complaining about how hard it is to be competitive isn't going to bring the ceiling down.

well then how about GGG bring that ceiling down on your heads, like RoyalSpades suggested?

Low Level Duel is exactly as the name implies: low level, low-to-mid-grade gear, pretty much even playing ground where skill matters most compared to other modes of PvP.
and it's about bloody time it stops being a "rich-only playground".

so here's what I suggest:

1) any High Orb (Exalted, Eternal, Mirror, maybe even Divine) used on an item, makes its level requirement 31+ if it isn't already.
2) any level 7+ master craft (including Elreon Meta Mod) - 31+.
3) corruption with "+1 gems" or "+1 Arrow" (quivers) - 31+.
4) 20+ Quality on a gem - 29+ for that gem.

so you guys can take your fucking Exalts, and happily go to High Level Duel.
you won't destroy that, because there are more than enough "non-rich" people there playing each other, me included.
you won't dominate it, because here come Fyndel and co' to show you, whatever amount of Exalts you spent - is not enough. he will gladly show you how "fun" it is being one-shot. give you a taste of your own damned medicine.

or... you can just stay in fair LLD, adapt, and yes actually compete like in the old days: with skill and cunning rather than uber-gearing and breaking. being better because you are better players, not because you bought some damned wand that one-shots everybody and for somefuckingreason requires level 28, and have a +1 Tabula Rasa loaded with 20Q gems.

maybe then, people like A222 would actually care how good a PvPer their opponent is, and how good they are. and show some fucking respect.
"lol".

PoE is a game about min-maxing. The goal of an ARPG is to farm, get better gear, get stronger characters, and repeat. This is why we have builds like low-life million dps and other stuff.

LLD is also affected by this. Everyone competing in the top have more or less equal gearing with each other. The appeal of LLD compared to HLD and PvE is how easy it is to gear up a character exalt-wise (10-15 ex range)

John you seem to be living in the past. LLD PvP got upgraded and upgraded by people who had the means to do so, I don't see why you should take their fun away and bring it back to what YOU think is fun, and this makes you sound so entitled and privileged. What makes you think we'll enjoy 5c vs 5c fights? You ever try precon vs precon fights? They're long, drawn out fights where everyone just runs away and you can't do shit since you have no damage to chase and kill them.

Also if that 5 chaos guy asks around, no way is he leaving. I've had dudes with crappy gear come to sarn arena, get owned by what you call "rich motherfucking exalt bearers elite" shit, ask questions, join the guild, and turn into respectable PvPers in their own right. What I don't like is people who come in with 5c, get owned, chat "gg carried by gear", and go to the forums with "PvP is nothing but gear fuck you all". It's that shit that I wish would just leave.

When I offer my help to anyone I come across, that help extends to me helping them plan out a build they like, hunting for starter gear, maybe giving them one or two pieces I tucked away, helping them find a good playstyle, good movements, etc.

And if you seriously think the LLD budget should be 5 chaos just fuck right off. I don't give a fuck if you could enjoy LLD PvP with 5 chaos back then, the game wasn't as developed as it is now. Don't tell me you'll enjoy playing PvE with a strictly 1 ex budget from start to finish.

PvP in PoE would always be about gear + skill + build. We're having tons of fun fighting among ourselves so don't you come shit talking me personally with your entitled as fuck bearing and pretend you know two things about PvP or how you are such a "PvP-lover" when you don't even get what the fuck we're doing.

what you are doing, is taking LLD which is a feature of the game accessible to everybody who loves PvP, and locking it up behind a wall of Exalts, which believe it or not many people don't have. certainly not at this level range.

you think I'm "entitled", but I think you are trying to bully people out of LLD to make it your own private club. one with that damned Elreon-Exalt-Wand guy standing as a well-Tabula-dressed thug doorman, 1-shotting anyone who's not a "club member" - no matter how good a player he/she is - and going "lel get out of LLD or go get dem Exalts, scrub!".

and no amount of helping and/or gearing others - even though I respect you doing that - is going to change the fact, that's what you are trying to do.
and no amount of keyword-dropping like "min-max" or "farm" is going to hide it, either.

so I'm here, to object that.
because I love PvP and think anyone who loves PvP should have access to PvP, where we all happily bash each other's skulls until the best-skilled win.
certainly in LLD, where gear never did matter much compared to build and playing skills, until you guys showed up.

What we're doing, is what the nature of the game dictates. Improving. Contrary to the public belief, LLD is NOT behind a gearwall. If you really think I am what defines a rich player, then you are horribly mistaken.

LLD PvP isn't just something someone can enter right off the bat, and we tell this to people who obviously have never even reached mapping on PvE. Also the goal is to build your LLD character over time, GGG specifically had this in mind when designing the (horrible) preconstructed characters. We've been building our LLDs for quite some time now, it isn't just a one drop investment, and like HLD our LLD builds are also not re-purposed PvE builds.

And anybody who "loves" PvP will certainly put in the effort to make means that allows them to fulfill an end. Basically if you love PvP then you're willing to grind out a week~ or so of PvE to gear up a viable PvP character.

And I challenge you to a precon vs precon fight, where I'll show you that PvP in that tier has almost no skill involved.

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A222 wrote:

And I challenge you to a precon vs precon fight, where I'll show you that PvP in that tier has almost no skill involved.

sure it won't, because you'll take your precon to your stash, and gear him/her up with all the bling most people don't have access to, in an attempt to one-shot me and say "see? it's all about dem gearz!".

technically, I can do the same: I have some Legacy Facebreakers, legacy +20 Onyx amulets and many other Legacy stuff in my stash because I'm an Open Beta player. also a now-legacy Perandus, and some good-quality gems too. stuff that require level 28 or lower, just because GGG screwed up.
but I won't.
I use neither in LLD, because that would be unfair towards people who aren't Open Beta players like myself, and/or aren't rich enough to buy these.
so they just sit there waiting for the next fun PvE build, or a good HLD run - where many people are rich enough and well-geared enough, especially in Standard.

see, LLD is about fun and access to a wide audience.
a place where most people play for fun, and some people like you compete for points and Tournament awards.
a place, where gear shouldn't matter compared to HLD where it usually does.
so if you want to turn LLD into a mini-HLD private club of Exalt-bearing min-maxers, you are making a mistake.

I'm about 98% sure when I invite you to a precon vs precon fight we'll both be using a preconfigured character that won't have any gear added on to lol.