[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

just checked. HOA doesn't proc when running hatred because hatred + crits shatters... which does not cause the ignite/burn effect of HOA to proc

incidentally Me running Hatre+ HOI generated power charges and made my dps go up by 5K

Hatred+ HOA - 95k dps with frenzy charges

Hatred+ HOI- 101k dps with frenzy + 3 power charges..

either going by dps or synergy with shatter i think HOI does give more dps than HOA ( standalone )

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Zinja wrote:

just checked. HOA doesn't proc when running hatred because hatred + crits shatters... which does not burn from the HOI.

incidentally Me running Hatre+ HOI generated power charges and made my dps go up by 5K

Hatred+ HOA - 95k dps with frenzy charges

Hatred+ HOI- 101k dps with frenzy + 3 power charges..

either going by dps or synergy with shatter i think HOI does give more dps than HOA ( standalone )

You are too focused on paper-dps anyway. It's not only about the power charges, it's about the curse itself. Assassins mark gives 9% more crit, and it really means 9% more and not 9% of your basecrit, plus they receive a lot more damage from critical strikes. The paper-dps won't show this at all, cause it's a debuff, but this is really, really huge!

Btw cause the guide kind of lacks this information as well: Assassins mark is the only way to go over the 95% critcap, - if you got min. 91% with charges up you'll actually have 100% critchance. But before acc comes into play: First time roled to check if you actually hit and then a second time to check if your crit hits, - which is why acc is so important, because it's roled 2 times for critting.

It works pretty much like this to really crit: Hit (acc)? yes, crit (critchance)? yes, crithit (acc)? yes

I need an advice, i hesitate about two options :


Hatred + HOA + HOI (auto curse AA) and Alpha's Howl.

or

Hatred + HOI and Rat's Nest.


It's like to choose between flat dps increase (HOA) and CC (Rat's)... :(

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valraukar7 wrote:

I need an advice, i hesitate about two options :


Hatred + HOA + HOI (auto curse AA) and Alpha's Howl.

or

Hatred + HOI and Rat's Nest.


It's like to choose between flat dps increase (HOA) and CC (Rat's)... :(

Rats Nest has a lot more to offer than just crit. Attack and movement speed are big as well. Imho it's probably one of the most powerful items in relation to it's costs. - So even though i know some people like Alphas a lot, i would always go for Rats Nest.

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basta1982 wrote:

Rats Nest has a lot more to offer than just crit. Attack and movement speed are big as well. Imho it's probably one of the most powerful items in relation to it's costs. - So even though i know some people like Alphas a lot, i would always go for Rats Nest.

Question is, with my setup, does it worth to lose HOA and HA for RN ? That's the point.

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valraukar7 wrote:

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basta1982 wrote:

Rats Nest has a lot more to offer than just crit. Attack and movement speed are big as well. Imho it's probably one of the most powerful items in relation to it's costs. - So even though i know some people like Alphas a lot, i would always go for Rats Nest.

Question is, with my setup, does it worth to lose HOA and HA for RN ? That's the point.

How is this any different to the question in general? The question you are asking is, if another herald + alphas is better than rats nest, or? And i'd say no.
It was quite clear to me that you are talking about having less mana reserved to get another permabuff, because... well that is what is alphas made for.

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basta1982 wrote:

if another herald + alphas is better than rats nest, or? And i'd say no.

Ok, that's what im searching for :)

I will try to compare both solutions in the future, you are probably right.

Looking for some gear optimization advice please. My paper dps pre-frenzy charges is in the low 20k range and the clear speed as it stands feels pretty fast. I really like the snake bite gloves so I will probably not give those up. I am open to swapping out my helmet for a Rat's Nest but the thought of redoing all of my jewelry to get the necessary resists and attributes makes me cringe. Finally, is it worth the cost to wipe the crit multi off my bow to multi mod it?

Thanks in advance.

N

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Neurik wrote:

Finally, is it worth the cost to wipe the crit multi off my bow to multi mod it?

Only if you are ready to lose 4ex for gaining 10% CC, that can be good because it's the base CC on the bow.

Hey guys I need your help. I crafted this bow:

And now my question is if there is any way to apply 100%++ increased phys mod on this weapon or if the only way is to exalt it... What would you do with this Harbinger, pls help..