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I am working with 172 unreserved while only having the dualleechnode for mana and using Hatred and Herald of Ice. - Works great. But i am playing with Acuitys, which is quite a difference. Back when i played with Maligaros instead i never used more than 1 manaleechnode, or item, too. Worked as well, but 6-link Frenzy was kind of problematic without instantmanaleech.

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Zinja wrote:

Looking for some advice on how i can increase my dps

Ive linked my 6L TS as on a 373 pdps harbinger

ICD + PPAD + PTL + FA+ TS + GMP

ive an 80 inc critical strike dmg ( level 21/20)

73.5 critical strike chance in town..... ( not sure if that is waay overboard....)
im running with 32K TS tool tip dps with hatred + HOI.... ( linked to curse on hit + assasins mark)

Ive a crit multi of 510 with tornando shot due to ICD.. is that the normal crit multi on tornando shot or is it usually higher ?
ive lost about 20-30 crit multi on my ammy .... At this point I am not sure if i can get a decent talisman/ammy for cheap.....


Ok satisfied with my defensive setup.
4.6k Life
60+ base MS
14K ev
capped resistances with +5 chaos resistance.

Thing is , ive so much invested in mana / leech notes I am not even sure If that is needed....
I have 84 Unreserved Mana after reservation (this will probably be less if i remove the mana nodes )
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How much unreserved mana do you guys work with? at 90+

Your setup confuses me greatly. Overall you go down the middle of the road on a few occasions which leads to a quite low damage output (I have a 360pdps harbinger bow and I at 78K TS dps with hatred + herald of ash (27,6k autoattack)).

First thing: Your passives. You invest way to much into mana leech / mana regain. There are also other things you should change but it depends on the following:

Is your build a Queen of the Forest build? If yes - Drop hatred and utilize grace and use your passives for higher damage output. Currently your net gain is somthing like 5% movement speed or so which is next to nothing. For Queen of the Forest to worth it you need 15 or percent movement speed bonus from that armor piece. Your own Queen of the Forest has a bad roll on evasion (the most important stat). I strongly recommend to find a new one or replace it.

There is a lot about your gear setup that is ... to put it short wrong (read my response in this thread to understand why and apply the concept it to your own gear setup). I know it is response to another question but I hope to you can understand the concept behind opportunity cost from each item slot and how it goes together with talents.

Moving on:
AoE skill setup: Read this thread

Long story short: do not use PTL without WED. They go together.
So either you go for PTL + WED
OR
AFD + ICS (or PCOC).

But this again requires you to be safe from reflect so A) either go for acuity / vaal pact or B) go for AFD + ICS (or PCOC) or C) go for PTL + WED + grace with Queen of the Forest.

And for concrete advice:
Items to replace:
Amulet, belt, rings,
Amulet: Crit multi > flat phys > crit chance > life > int / str / all attributes > res
Rings: To begin with Res > Life > int / str / all attributes > damage. Later on (your goal) Prio is flat phys > accuracy > life + needed res / attributes.
Belt: Res > HP > elemental damage.

Passives:
Queen of the Forest setup (oak, kraityn, kill all).


Without Queen of the Forest setup (oak, kraityn, kill all).

@Frank
You have given me quite a bit to think about.
My gear setup has been evolving since the start of the league... and its been build around trying to cap my resists, and utilize the leech wheel ... since i cant afford an accuity yet
I somehow got it into my head that i needed crit chance and hence went with all possible ways to get crit chance . Im at 73% in town and 89.5% crit chance with 3 power charges in fight.

I was trying out different setups. QOTF is what i use for MS - Grace+ hatred when i was doing atziri runs.
I run with enlighten to run 2x 50% or to have the freedom to run 3 aura/heraldds as and when the situation needs it or w/e . tried out different aura setups to see which work best... still trying to figure that one out
so far
grace+hatred for atziri - 90 MS 31k dps without charges
My dps with charges and flasks up is 75K but just the aura's its 32k, hatred+ HOI.

When you say QOTF build .... I am not sure what you mean. my reasons for using QOTF was for the evasion boost and MS boost. But i do not need it all the time... I even have puncture/traps on my other 6L .. just for atziri but ever sine i stopped doing atziri and focused on purely leveling...

I am not sure where i am at.. at this point.

When you say you have 78k is that with charges and flasks up?

I don't remember why i made these gem choices , trying to figure out the math..

ICD ( 21/20) 80% inc damage
WED 21/20 - 70% inc damage
PTL 21/20 - 40% inc damage ( 10% inc physical damage)
added fire damage- 45% inc damage ( 10% inc fire damage...)
seems like i figured ICD+ PTL might give me more damage....

I seem to be missing quite a bit in my understanding.

I think i misread the guides and assumed with high crit chance i would have the ability to get some cast on crit action going ..... apparently this does not seem possible since i don't want to deviate from TS as main source of dps.

Okay thanks guys for the info, never played a ranger before :P

What are the merits (if any) of using


Together?

The OP mentions the gloves in the initial write up but I wanted to see if anyone was using them with the build currently. I had stuffed them in the guild chest after finding them on my first Talisman character and decided to break them out once I was high enough level to use them. While they may not be a Maligaros, the synergies they provide with the boots and Frenzy charges is very welcome.

Disclaimer: this is my first archer/ranger and I am still in the low 70's so far from optimized at this point.

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Neurik wrote:

What are the merits (if any) of using

Together?

The OP mentions the gloves in the initial write up but I wanted to see if anyone was using them with the build currently. I had stuffed them in the guild chest after finding them on my first Talisman character and decided to break them out once I was high enough level to use them. While they may not be a Maligaros, the synergies they provide with the boots and Frenzy charges is very welcome.

Disclaimer: this is my first archer/ranger and I am still in the low 70's so far from optimized at this point.

Blood dance is used to generate the frenzy charge (if you dont use frenzy skill for exemple as a single target skill). The gloves are OK because it's use the frenzy charges (usually 7-10 in this build) to generate DPS (AS + poison). IMO Nerversink planned to use the poison when full frenzy charged in a new build (max poison damage ?)

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Zinja wrote:

@Frank
When you say you have 78k is that with charges and flasks up?

I don't remember why i made these gem choices , trying to figure out the math..

ICD ( 21/20) 80% inc damage
WED 21/20 - 70% inc damage
PTL 21/20 - 40% inc damage ( 10% inc physical damage)
added fire damage- 45% inc damage ( 10% inc fire damage...)
seems like i figured ICD+ PTL might give me more damage....

I seem to be missing quite a bit in my understanding.

I think i misread the guides and assumed with high crit chance i would have the ability to get some cast on crit action going ..... apparently this does not seem possible since i don't want to deviate from TS as main source of dps.

78k is with hatred and herald of ash, but no charges, flask or increased attack speed from blood rage. 116k with taste of hate, blood rage and 3 frenzy charges. 130k if I also use vaal haste. This is of course with the maximum dps setup (TS, GMP, FA, PPAD, PTL WED).

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Frankenberry wrote:

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Zinja wrote:

@Frank
When you say you have 78k is that with charges and flasks up?

I don't remember why i made these gem choices , trying to figure out the math..

ICD ( 21/20) 80% inc damage
WED 21/20 - 70% inc damage
PTL 21/20 - 40% inc damage ( 10% inc physical damage)
added fire damage- 45% inc damage ( 10% inc fire damage...)
seems like i figured ICD+ PTL might give me more damage....

I seem to be missing quite a bit in my understanding.

I think i misread the guides and assumed with high crit chance i would have the ability to get some cast on crit action going ..... apparently this does not seem possible since i don't want to deviate from TS as main source of dps.

78k is with hatred and herald of ash, but no charges, flask or increased attack speed from blood rage. 116k with taste of hate, blood rage and 3 frenzy charges. 130k if I also use vaal haste. This is of course with the maximum dps setup (TS, GMP, FA, PPAD, PTL WED).

Wow im definitely doing it wrong... What is your chance to crit?

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