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Should my next gear upgrade be to 5L my bow and move utility shot to it, or should I go for something else first?

What do you guys think of using Surgebinder's unique gloves instead of Maligaro's?

(90 to 110)% increased Armour and Evasion
(4 to 7)% increased Elemental Damage per Frenzy Charge
(4 to 7)% increased Physical Damage per Endurance Charge
(4 to 7)% increased Spell Damage per Power Charge
10% chance to Steal Power, Frenzy, and Endurance Charges on Hit
(10 to 30)% reduced Endurance, Frenzy and Power Charge Duration

Seems pretty OP to me especially if u have a lot of charges. Not sure how to comprehend it though, is it an extra 4% to 7% on top of the default increase the charges give you?

Surgebinder areway worse than maligaro's for this build
I dont know if they give more dmg than msligaro but u lose crit chance and multi which is never a good thing
Best gloves by far for this build are acuities, tbey give life, save u at least 2 ibtelligence nods and provide the all important instant mana leech. 2nd best are maligaros

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TsopKratos wrote:

Surgebinder areway worse than maligaro's for this build
I dont know if they give more dmg than msligaro but u lose crit chance and multi which is never a good thing
Best gloves by far for this build are acuities, tbey give life, save u at least 2 ibtelligence nods and provide the all important instant mana leech. 2nd best are maligaros

Dont underestimate well-rolled rares, bro. They can have life, decent evasions, additional damage (physical included), resists, accuracy, and so on. Well-rolled rare will be far better than Maligaro.

Using Surgebinders I have 7 frenzy charges which equals 49% extra elemental damage + 3 endurance charges which is 21% increased phys damage on top of the default buffs that the charges ALREADY give! Combined with TS + PtL + WED + FA + GMP + PPAD is a lot of damage especially if you are stacking a lot of WED on your gear. I dont think losing crit chance/multi is a big deal as these can be gained by power charges anyway and assassins mark. Looks like these are much better than maligaro's which only give 5% attack speed and 50% crit chance + 50% multi..

I wouldn't get resists/life etc on my gloves as these can be obtained elsewhere, rings, amulet, quiver etc all depends on your gear though I suppose. Atziri's Acuity are very expensive all that's going for them is the instant life leech which is great but I can live with out it quite easily.

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OnceWereWarriors wrote:

Using Surgebinders I have 7 frenzy charges which equals 49% extra elemental damage + 3 endurance charges which is 21% increased phys damage on top of the default buffs that the charges ALREADY give! Combined with TS + PtL + WED + FA + GMP + PPAD is a lot of damage especially if you are stacking a lot of WED on your gear. I dont think losing crit chance/multi is a big deal as these can be gained by power charges anyway and assassins mark. Looks like these are much better than maligaro's which only give 5% attack speed and 50% crit chance + 50% multi..

Oh boy, you are severely underestimating Maligaro's! "only give 5% attack speed and 50% crit chance + 50% multi" Are you kidding me, that's HUGE.

I've only got 35% crit multi Maligaro's, but putting on these gloves makes my dps go from 53k to 63k, that's close to 20% MORE damage.
For reference, I've also got a Rustic Sash with 24% increased physical damage, and 22% increased elemental damage. Putting that on my dps increases by almost 10%.

Now, seeing as increased phys damage is more powerfull than increased ele damage (since all your ele damage scales off your phys damage). You will at most be looking at a 15% tooltip dps increase (probably lower) when you have all your charges.

So maligaro's is much better than Surgebingers because:
- MOAR damage
- Not relying on charges for the damage, which is usefull in situations where it's hard to get charges. Example: bosses, and curse immune monster/maps
- Higher crit chance = higher chance to apply shock = even more damage due to 50% increased damage from shock.

This doesn't mean Surgebinders are bad. They are just not optimal for this build when considering damage.

Not optimal for damage lol with surgebinders + 7 frenzy + 4 endurance + 3 power charges my damage went from 51k with HoA and Hatred + ice golem to 101k in other words it doubled. I dont have maligaro's gloves to make a comparison though. Crit chance/multi are awesome but u need the raw damage to go side by side with it which these gloves provide along with charges, they synergise quite well. Il try and show u my gear setup.

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BachBWV971 wrote:

Hi, i have a question, why does the build suggest to use Weapon Elemental Damage + Physical to lightning? Wouldn't be much better running added fire damage (flat +40% instead of +15% from Physical to lightning) with Life gain on hit or mana leech/life leech or also Added cold damage? Great build tho, thanks in advice!

The idea is that the PtL gem also converts half of your physical damage to lightning which is then multiplied by the WED gem. It's a pretty huge damage increase. However, people have been mentioning issues with leech and elemental reflect. It's probably not worth it to use either gem if you're not using both.

I can confirm added fire is marginally better than WED on my 5 link. AF 15 gives me 13.9k DPS fully buffed, WED 19 only gives 13.5k. Based on comparison with AF11, I think it would be 14.1k if my AF was also at 19. AF is also slightly cheaper at 120% vs 140%; which works out to 27 mana instead of 31.

Wait, have you tested with PtL + WED and AF + WED? From your chest i see only 1 of the gems alone, cause you have no spots for the other one.

You are right though, being reliant on charges is a big risk especially when bossing etc