Snapshotting

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Mark_GGG wrote:

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GodlyMe wrote:

About the changes to Righteous Fire, if I understand correctly, when you cast RF with a,b,c support gems, then remove RF, the benefits from a,b,c supports persist until placed in an item with x,y,z support gems at which point RF will gain the benefits of x,y,z supports.

Is this correct?

Not quite. If you put the RF gem into a different item with different supports, that will give you a new instance of the RF skill, different to the one that was used to case the currently active effect. nothing will update.

If you put the gem back in the same socket it was removed from, then it's the same skill, and it will update to any of the supports that have changed in the meantime, and continue to do so for future support changes.

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GodlyMe wrote:

If so it doesn't hold true to the whole "burning to death" philosophy.

IMO the benefits that RF has gained from the supports should persist indefinitely, no matter what you do with the gems in the interim, until it is recast, at which point RF gains the benefits of whatever supports are linked to it at that time.

That would a) be snapshotting, and b) not be affecting the burning to death - there are no support gems in the game currently that affect the self burn.
The "burning to death" philosophy is that you should not be able to turn off the skill by removing the gem. Allowing it to correctly update based on support changes, when able, does not impact that.

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elitedesolator wrote:

From my understanding of extreme RF snapshotting, it involves low life Pain Attunement 2 Redbeaks, plus the switching of gear such as a 6L Carcass to boost the damage and then switching back to your normal armour.

Which part or parts are going to be fixed?

EDIT: OK I read it again (reading comprehension pro here). So my conclusion is that none of it would work anymore for RF?

Correct.

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gilrad wrote:

So does this mean gear swapping is still somewhat alive for Righteous Fire?

-Equip a +1 Tabula Rasa with Righteous Fire linked in,

-Cast Righteous Fire

-Swap the TR for a Kaom's Heart

-You now have the benefit of a six-linked chest skill on your Kaom's. Even better, if it's not a legacy, your fire damage gets updated!

That is currently correct. Ideally we'd like it to notice the supports being removed and update, but because the active skill gem is gone at that point, it can't tell what supports are linked to it. There might be changes to this in future, but for now, this is correct.

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1988288 wrote:

You guys should probably look at Montreguls and buff it after the snapshot fix, as it makes you lose nearly half total DPS.
It gives no benefit and drawback is too high. Can't really call 500 life and resists (that already are maxed out) a huge bonus, nor the explosions makes up for the lost damage.

90k dps with 4 zombies (that is montreguls), 160k dps with 9 zombies. DPS loss probably is even higher with lvl 20/20 (or higher) gems.

Could you please share how you calculated these numbers?
Have you not found the zombie life bonus from the item significant in your play?

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bitedefer wrote:

Think dec said that what they want. Master of one type of spectres with some jack of all trades. Right now you are JACK OF ALL TRADES MASTER OF ALL. You gotta think what spetres you want to be fully optimised(4 of them ) or have one or two of that fully optimised spectres with the other two less optimised for supports.

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theeviltroll wrote:

You just killed end-game summoners (trying to kill uber). Well done.

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Sneakypaw wrote:

You are a funny dude.

It's not about levels of power. I already told what the advantage is of this 'snapshotting' with spectres over how it is supposed to be.

Read again. If you still don't agree, read again until you can comprehend it.

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Sneakypaw wrote:

If you want different spectres just use one Spectre gem + 5 supports in a 6 link and another SPectre gem + 3 supports (in 4link) or 5 supports (in another 6 link (2handed weapon/bow))

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robmafia wrote:

no one's GAINING anything.

4 gmp tentacles = 4 aoe evalgelists = 2 gmp tentacles and 2 aoe evangelists, and etc. 2 fully supported tentacles and 2 supported evangelists isn't magically MORE than 4 supported tentacles. this is so retardedly simple that i literally don't know how to possibly simplify it further.

it's simply diversifying instead of concentrating. that's it.

it's an issue because GGG is claiming to bring diversity with this change, but it seems to only heavily incentivize the opposite of diversity - uniformity.