[Suggestion] Swap Chaos Orb and Regal Orb Vendor Recipes

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

Good league starters can just go into early red maps with items from the ground but a more creative specilized build might need an early enabling unique and you might need to farm the currency somehow.

If you don't play a "good" league starter, chances are you simply don’t follow the latest streamer FOMO starters, which naturally means most of the items your build wants are dirt cheap as there's 0 demand and therefore 0 value on the market.

But basically every build and ability can push straight into red maps nowadays with shoelace 10c gear and finance all the smaller upgrades along the way through ground loot and raw bubblegum currency drops you get from the start of the campaign all the way into early red maps.

By the time you reach red maps, you already have plenty of Atlas points to jump into shoelace farming methods that outperform the Chaos vendor recipe by miles.
The chaos vendor recipe days are just over since years thanks to more generous ground drops.

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Pashid#4643 wrote:

But basically every build and ability can push straight into red maps nowadays with shoelace 10c gear and finance all the smaller upgrades along the way through ground loot and raw bubblegum currency drops you get from the start of the campaign all the way into early red maps.

+gold gambling items through Faustus is really neat as well.

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Pashid#4643 wrote:

If you don't play a "good" league starter, chances are you simply don’t follow the latest streamer FOMO starters, which naturally means most of the items your build wants are dirt cheap as there's 0 demand and therefore 0 value on the market.

This is simply wrong. Best recent example CWS Build that can't do more than 2 voidstones if at all and needs expensive jewel early to even be able to do anything relevant. The build was popular... i dunno about after changes...But a build that needs carries is not a good league starter per definition, yet it was very popular and the enabling item was very expensive for very early league. This happens all the time. Build is from yesterday, not a good league starter anymore or never was but people are used to it,they love it, they want a simple enabling unique that says: "equip and go". Therefore, the unique costs to much on league start. Therefore, people are forced to do lvl 67 heists.

Even the build creator did heist + chaos recipe on stream
On top of this, i am under the impression that i have seen organized group play(had to be this empty guy) and they did chaos recipe 3 hours into the league. I am certain that was the case.


note that this is after a few hours playing the league start with almost no break Not after 2 days where you can finish the campaign and buy a random 6 link for 5 chaos orbs.

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

This is simply wrong. Best recent example CWS Build that can't do more than 2 voidstones if at all and needs expensive jewel early to even be able to do anything relevant.

Even the build creator did heist + chaos recipe on stream
On top of this, i am under the impression that i have seen organized group play(had to be this empty guy) and they did chaos recipe 3 hours into the league. I am certain that was the case.


note that this is after a few hours playing the league start with almost no break Not after 2 days where you can finish the campaign and buy a random 6 link for 5 chaos orbs.

one thing i m real tired of seeing in forums or any discussion thread are people who fail to see a different point of view.

many forummers here are seasoned veterans that could have years of experience. their opinions come from a different POV where they simply cannot relate to more casual players.

this thread is a perfect example where people come in here literally explaining the problem they have with the game. and all they get are "nah","its fine" etc. and being very dismissive.

these people need to just stay in their lane for this issue. your opinion comes from your experience. you can farm divines/chaos easily because you know what you're doing.

and lets be honest. even if regal orb recipe was entirely removed and just replaced with the chaos orb recipe, would it hurt the better players at all?

better players know that all you need to do is run eater influenced maps and you might run into some currency/regal altar and you'd have more regals than manually doing regal recipes in an hour (rough guestimate).

all the elitist push back for what? it doesnt effect you the slightest.

I mean, I wouldn't mind this change. I just do alch&go maps all league so chaos orbs are always valuable to me.

And I do chaos recipe sometimes on leaguestart if I'm really desperate to buy a certain unique that's like 100c and I know for a fact its price will go up 3x later on. Or sometimes I just do chaos recipe for fun by picking up a full set of rare items off a few map bosses or rogue exiles. So +1

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

expensive jewel early to even be able to do anything relevant. The build was popular

Popular builds and expensive items, who could have possibly seen that coming?

If you follow the current FOMO-driven popular builds, you’ll end up paying a premium as the market reacts to popularity. On the other hand, if you play something outside the spotlight, you’ll usually find item prices are much cheaper.

Spoiler alert, both approaches work just fine and you'll reach endgame in no time.

Gold gambling for gear, async trade, and currency exchange have made it trivial to never be stuck on low currency or no gear, even on day 1 red map pushes.
The old chaos recipe is basically obsolete and a waste of time at this point, replaced by faster and more efficient ways to generate currency. Even just looting raw chaos drops is more efficient than filling up your inventory with garbage.

It’s also easier than ever to progress the atlas with the new system, as you cam skip most white and yellow maps, push to red maps asap and finish the atlas with entire atlas with red maps, which is also going to be more efficient than wasting time on white and yellow maps.

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Even the build creator did heist + chaos recipe on stream

Don’t get baited into believing that everything your favorite streamer does is the most optimal way, just like you shouldn’t assume only the latest popular builds are viable lol.
A streamer is just another player in their own instance of the game, often doing things their own way, not necessarily the most efficient one.

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note that this is after a few hours playing the league start with almost no break

I’m on the same page as you.

If we’re talking full seriousness and about a day one endgame push, we’re already in optimized gameplay territory. There's no time to waste on old catch-up mechanics that slow things down, we want to go and push fast, not slow.