"manic" and "schrophenic" names feels wrong

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exsea#1724 wrote:

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voldert#1616 wrote:

Folks, are you really proposing this because it's needed, or because it makes you feel good to fight for your imaginary victims? As I mentioned before, I have certain issues (don't see a need to disclose it) and seeing a word describing my condition does not affect me. If anything, the delirium dude taunts are terryfying, but that's all.

Stop treating people like me like some cracked, vulnerable egg that needs to be protected with 20 layers of cloth. I'm a normal human being that simply got an unlocky health roll.

the suggestion is for people who need it. simple as that.

i dont get why people are going so far to feel offended by it. if you're suffering and dont need it. thats good on you. but what about those who do?

I'd prefer to hear from those people than someone deciding to speak for individuals who haven't championed them to do just that

If there was any negative connotation to it I'd be more agreeable but it really ain't that deep really

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ArtCrusade#4438 wrote:

I'd prefer to hear from those people than someone deciding to speak for individuals who haven't championed them to do just that

If there was any negative connotation to it I'd be more agreeable but it really ain't that deep really

for sure one should not shake the boat for a perceived problem that might not exist.

but do we really need to wait for a drug addict to finally ask for help?

many suffer in silence because its simply easier.

look at this forum and this topic for an example. so much criticism for opening our mouths.

and to bring an old topic up. i dont have the mental capacity to do maven memory game. all the tips so many have given me, i ve tried. i've practiced. i just cant do it under pressure. theres too little time to memorize. and what do i get? git gud.

theres too many people who also love just sitting idly and being critical of everything. zero empathy. zero understanding. and zero effort to understand.

everyone once in a while some person will say stuff like "i dont understand why xyz". sometimes people tell you exactly the issue. but it gets brushed off.

so you want people to speak up in such a hostile environment? ffs i've been in this forums "forever" i've had a lot of toxicity thrown my way but i m super thick skinned. but not everyone is like me. some people dont want confrontation. and if i m being honest. IRL i m the type of guy who sometimes at the shopping mart i rather wait for people to move away from the aisle that i want to get things from rather than barging in or giving a polite excuse me to grab what i need.

lmao. lets wait for gambling addicts to speak up about their addiction before we make laws for them. i could go on with this. but its just a waste of time. waiting for a representative to talk about it is too late.

if i were not invested in poe, i would not be in this forums. if i saw anything i disliked, i wont complain. i ll just not play the game. there are many games that i do this.

and what. do i need to suddenly say "HEY ACTUALLY I M SKITZO" then people need to take me seriously? we're all anonymous on line anyway. anyone can make a claim.

There's a reason why I wrote "it aint that deep" and immediately you dig it a whole lot deeper than it needs to be.

I am not sure you'll find people suffering from mania or schizophrenia agreeing to likening them to drug addicts or gamblers. The connection you draw between protecting gamblers and GGG using the terms "manic" and "schizophrenic" as part of a text on a modifier is intangible, if not incoherent.

I.e. mystery boxes promote gambling and people predispositioned to be influenced by it are being taken advantage of. Thus, some countries moved to pass laws to prohibit such business practices.

That's not what you are doing by suggesting avoiding the mere mention of words. That's just self-censoring in the absence of an offended party.

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so you want people to speak up in such a hostile environment?

Maybe tone down your accusations because all hostility present is coming from you right now

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exsea#1724 wrote:

but do we really need to wait for a drug addict to finally ask for help?

Addiction is the perfect example of why your position makes no sense, though. Addiction is a serious problem affecting hundreds of millions of people worldwide, it ruins lives across all borders and cultural barriers and is far more common than any other mental disease. Does that mean media in general, or PoE in particular, should feel the need to treat the topic as completely taboo?

Mentioning a disorder or condition is always value-neutral; it's the specific portrayal which matters. I'm a veteran; I know dozens of people with physical and mental conditions and not one of them would mind being represented in media, so long as that portrayal isn't unfairly negative. And naming the node after the real condition Dissociation, given what it does, does not seem like a negative portrayal in any way to me.

If you disagree and want it changed, the onus is on you to demonstrate what about it is unfairly negative, because "it exists" certainly doesn't meet that burden.

What is this, twitter?

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clawface#4668 wrote:

I'm writing to urge a reconsideration of the use of "Manic" and "Schizophrenic" as in-game terms.

Using specific medical diagnoses for game mechanics is problematic

Thankyou for your compassion. It rubbed me the wrong way, too.

I know it's pretty delusional of me but I was really, really hoping we would not see the day when such posts would make it into Path of Exile. I swear to god this makes me miss the days when the game had 200 players.

I cannot begin to put into words my disdain for this kind of posts and attitude in a nice way, so I will just say this - anything can be offensive to anyone. If we all start being offended by random things we will end up...well, where we've already ended up, and it is NOT a good place to be in. This needs to stop. Video games do NOT need to be censored to please the forever offended/professional victim crowds.

I bet there are thousands of people here with their own issues and sensitive topics, and you do not see them posting on the forums asking for stuff to be removed. In fact, funnily enough, it seems to be the people who have no issues suddenly getting an urge to be champions of virtue for the poor and needy. Please go back to Twitter or Facebook or whatever horrible cesspool this kind of posts are popular on.

Did we just travel back in time 10 years ago?
I thought this hyper sensitive twitter nonsense was behind us.

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jackof8lades#6863 wrote:

Did we just travel back in time 10 years ago?
I thought this hyper sensitive twitter nonsense was behind us.

Performative outrage* will never go out of style, because people will always find value in feeling better about themselves morally, even if the actual impact of it is intangible.

Not saying that's the case here, but patting yourself on the back, whether doing it consciously or not, will always be a great motivator

Y'know, it's hard not to be seen as "performative" on this when the alternative is to disclose someone's medical conditions to random strangers. So there's that.

As for the comments about hypersensitivity, I'm not seeing it in the original post. It's a suggestion to change some words, with a few arguments as to why that should be changed. I doubt that OP is going to boycott the game if nothing is changed, but they had a suggestion and made it. Likewise, it's not a huge deal to disagree with that suggestion and give reasons for that position.

I also think it's possible to have a discussion in good faith without invoking certain social media sites or trends.