jugg accuracy stacking

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

as an aside: if you are truly using and understanding volatility in the way you describe WITHOUT also using a "lucky" mechanic......then you are simply making another wrong choice.

Volatility is NEVER, literally 100% of the time, the right support to use without "lucky". BECAUSE its the average damage that is important, and volatility increases the AVERAGE damage the least on its own because of its super wide range. You seem to not understand this. It might be a rather thrilling experience to hit like a wet noodle 50% of the time.....but its not mathematically effective in a build.


Your wrath example paints a completely inaccurate understanding AND representation of "power", and again isn't comparing the correct things together. When I say volatility doesn't work the way you describe, I am comparing it to literally EVERY OTHER, as well as ANY OTHER, support choice. While the max damage ofc will be the highest......your overall damage output will be SIGNIFICANTLY lower because you can't just "ignore" any time you don't deal max damage like you were trying to do lol.


Before you jump on it: this is a SEPARATE issue from the accuracy stacking and damage. Average damage, max damage, minimum damage, volatility, lucky, etc. play NO ROLE in comparing stacking stats. No matter what multipliers occur LATER (support gems, lucky damage, etc.), the base scaling remains a constant value. That is what the term "flat damage" refers to. To put another way, Volatility inserted into ANY SKILL will always yield the "same results" on base damage, when taken in isolation. It will ALWAYS 1) reduce the minimum damage by 69% and raise the maximum damage by 58% (at lvl 20). The way the scaling mechanism works, whether its 1-80 damage per 80 strength, or 1-6 damage per 200 accuracy, or whatever scaling we are talking about.....it doesn't matter. When you put the two scaling side by side for comparison, the volatility effect plays no role in the initial "value per point" of the scaling. It only affects the overall effectiveness of the final skill damage calculation, and can only be compared in effectiveness to other supports that would take it's place.

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feral_nature#7076 wrote:

a hundred mil char with 10 attacks persec hits like a wet noodle??? its very competitive with other armor stackers i have in terms of dmg, it just has lower ehp.

this one is even with some legacy stuff and still the same dps

https://pobb.in/2Ci_0EkfH7dk

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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feral_nature#7076 wrote:

a hundred mil char with 10 attacks persec hits like a wet noodle??? its very competitive with other armor stackers i have in terms of dmg, it just has lower ehp.

this one is even with some legacy stuff and still the same dps

https://pobb.in/2Ci_0EkfH7dk

I'm not commenting any further on Volatility: its clear you are simply following guides and not understanding the gem itself. When its the ONLY choice....such as in your build....then yes its the right choice lol.

Suffice to say, in the case of Volatility, you need to actually UNDERSTAND what the numbers are telling you. I would compare it to someone's lack of understanding to how armor works but they think they do because "but the toolbar says I have 90% pdr!". YES volatility is a buff. YES it increases your damage potential a lot. BUT without luck, it also makes your damage output VOLATILE. Damage output that is more heavily reliant on luck of the roll is less favorable in function to more reliable damage output, even if that output is LOWER. I would also compare this to the meme ice trap billion damage builds on ninja. Sure...they deal a billion damage. Functionally, they are a mess.

Given the level of damage and gear we are suddenly talking about (again, we were initially talking about NO EXPENSIVE GEAR HERE), it might not matter because even your minimum damage is high enough to annihilate everything. But that isn't at all true at lower damage points.

Dude....why are you linking a full 100% armor stacker NON JUGG w/ damn near mirror gear in a thread where you are specifically talking about jugg accuracy stacking on a budget?!

And thank you for literally proving exactly my point with that post: "Its very competitive with other armor stackers, it just has lower ehp." So then why the hell would you hybrid stack if it performs the SAME dps, and worse defense, on the same budget?

You have completely lost sight of your initial post and muddled every point at this stage of the conversation. To the point where the only build you have actually linked is......NOT YOUR JUGG ACCURACY stacker lol. What gives man?



Everything that I have continued to say over and over again in this thread is that....since SOLO stacking accuracy sucks, why would you hybrid stack it with anything Jugg is known to stack.....when stacking those other things by themselves would yield many times better results compared to the hybrid version? They will ALL function, even the worst solo accuracy stacking.....but the point is the freaking comparison in cost and outcome. What is GAINED from hybrid stacking accuracy and armor that you DON'T also get stacking armor alone? Its certainly NOT cheaper at the level you talk about.

Sure....like I also said on page one, your numbers for your accuracy/armor hybrid ARE GOOD! But by your own admission....they are only comparable to your pure armor stacker in damage, and NOT in ehp. So you have only LOST stats by going hybrid. That makes it objectively a worse option. And much more difficult because you are focused on TWO stats instead of just one. Far less flexible too.



If we were NEVER interested in talking about the positives and negatives of this build at all.....then I must have misunderstood the entire point of the existence of this thread and your initial comments about it. If you've already made your armour/accuracy hybrid jugg and it performs the way you want....then you are 100% right to have made that character and nothing I say could ever or should ever be taken as rationale that isn't true.

But if you were at all interested in actual discussion on the WHY of the build, and possible better avenues.....then I've said my piece.