jugg accuracy stacking

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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feral_nature#7076 wrote:

50 str for alberons will give you 50dmg. for stormrider boot is 3 dmg - 50str =100 accuracy. flat t1 roll on gear is 550-600 so its 5 times more efficient.

not quite....that mathing is incorrect lol. 80 strength nets you average 40 damage from the boots. Every 2 strength yields 1 damage. The boots give you average 3 for 200 accuracy, with penalty that becomes 250 accuracy. T1 rolls: 500 accuracy yields 6 flat damage from those boots. T1 strength roll: 55 strength yields 27 damage from alberons. Not to mention you can also get strength stacking weapon.

On pure comparison based on single mods: strength stacking is yielding like 5x more damage.

But strength doesn't occur in a vacuum. Strength itself provides physical damage, likely getting converted. Weapons can get the strength stacking stack, but no such accuracy stacking stat. Nodes on the tree heavily favor strength over accuracy near the nodes you would need to get for any juggernaut build. Strength synergizes with defenses. Etc. To truly max out accuracy you would need to stack dex, which doesn't synergize well with jugg.

Now if you IGNORE the accuracy rolls that you require to double stack, you can get much more juicy bonuses that all compete for those slots on your gear. The juggernaut ascendancy certainly helps to cover some of that imbalance above, but that comes at its own passive point and mod cost that skews it again.


I'm actually interested in just what exactly the balance is for this: I might go into PoB and just take all the strength nodes within reason, slap on alberon and see what flat damage is. Then do the same for accuracy and slap on those boots. Might not do that today though


But another calculation you can do is just on that juggernaut accuracy ascendancy node:
Assume 1000 strength, a decently easy value to get on a small budget strength stacker.

Jugg accuracy node yields 2000 accuracy + 500 = 2500. 25% off yields 1875 accuracy. These boots provide 3.5 daamge per 200 = 3.5 x 9 = 31.5 flat damage. You also get attack speed, so lets make that a "more" multiplier and you would get a net of 10ish more damage from attack speed, for a total of lets say 35 flat damage.
Now consider Alberon with the same strength: 1000 + 18% = 1180 = 590 (!) flat damage.

To cover that difference in damage, ONLY from the boots, you would need an additional 16x more accuracy from other sources. Is that even possible, first of all? And second, is it worth stacking something that is THAT much less efficient at building damage, AND with no other benefits associated with it?

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

Your math is still wrong dude.....volatility doesn't change that. Also...I'm pretty sure you don't mean volatility support in what you said, you meant "lucky" damage. Volatility itself is going to make the "average" value MORE important to pay attention to, not less. It's right there in the name.....your damage is more "volatile" (more extremes) and unreliable.

Whether you take the average, the low value, the high value, or any value in between..........you aren't adding right.

80 damage for 80 strength means 1 flat damage per strength
6 lightning damage for 200 accuracy (ignoring the 25% penalty) means.....6 damage for 200 accuracy

T1 strength is maybe 55 = 55 flat damage
T1 accuracy is maybe 500 = (500 / 200 = 2.5) 15 flat damage.

What are you even arguing hehe? Even if we ignore the 25% reduction, replica Alberon is nearly 4x more effective at building damage. With the 25% reduction, its 5x more effective.

You have your entire math reversed, or something like super wrong altogether.....

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feral_nature#7076 wrote:

stormrider are horrible, yes, but you scale them with flat accuracy, not with str.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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feral_nature#7076 wrote:

well i plan on doing armor and stack and use accuracy stacking as supplement, not going all in on it.

For example, all that investment you put into accuracy to even get ANY bonus from the shoes would have been cheaper and better invested into just straight strength and armor.

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feral_nature#7076 wrote:

my response:

50 str for alberons will give you 50dmg. for stormrider boot is 3 dmg - 50str =100 accuracy. flat t1 roll on gear is 550-600 so its 5 times more efficient.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

****Okay. I understand the mathing you were doing.

You were comparing a t1 strength roll and a t1 accuracy roll while ONLY using the storm boots, saying accuracy alone was 5x more effective. This is totally erroneous, and YOUR post was the one that compared it to Alberon first lol. I'm still not sure why you completely then suddenly dismissed that to make a useless comparison.

You ultimately completely missed my very first point about WHY I talked about strength stacking hehe.


Your math wasn't wrong: we were comparing two very different things. You were making an erroneous comparison which was so obviously NOT what I was talking about that I couldn't even comprehend it lol.


This is what I wrote
"I get it, and saw your respectable stats. I never really thought it WOULDN'T be powerful......I just don't think its practical or cost-effective.

For example, all that investment you put into accuracy to even get ANY bonus from the shoes would have been cheaper and better invested into just straight strength and armor. "

I had long since stopped comparing how strength affects STORM boots because thats stupid. The WHOLE POINT was that, why use an inferior scaling mechanism altogether when if you HAD scaled alberon as a normal strength stacker, it was multiple times more effective overall.