Chaos Innoculation, ES stacking, damage based on ES

While you buy oyur carries i actually play the game. I did the uber challenge i did lvl 100 solo and i get called out by a guy that blocks his profile because everyone would see that he is using carries, lmao

I bet you wouldn't even beat the campagin in hc bro, no to mention the gauntlet. Gl killing hillock you won#t get a carry for that bro ;)
Last edited by Strickl3r#3809 on Aug 8, 2025, 7:32:33 AM
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fair enough bro ;P
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I bet you wouldn't even beat the campagin in hc bro, no to mention the gauntlet. Gl killing hillock you won#t get a carry for that bro ;)


Rage bait or what's going on here?
Flames and madness. I'm so glad I didn't miss the fun.
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Pashid#4643 wrote:
Rage bait or what's going on here?


Good damn question.

In the interest of returning the thread to any kind of conversation before it gets locked, I'll throw my two cents in here:

I think it's true that ES stacking builds outperform everything else... on an unlimited budget. But I disagree that it's a genuine problem warranting balance adjustments, because that gear is not easy to craft or cheap to buy. At a level of investment attainable by even your average "serious" player, ES/CI are perfectly in line with any other decent archetype and lags behind a few more potent meta setups.

There's a data bias here, because players see streamers who play this game full time in a trade league seeming to overwhelmingly favor ES stackers. But you can't draw conclusions from that without the greater context of, these are people with close to 1000 hours played in a single league. The game's just not balanced around that - and rightly so.

I think something only becomes a true balance issue when it outperforms everything else on a very small budget, which is certainly not the case here.
Last edited by ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate#2605 on Aug 8, 2025, 4:07:07 PM
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Pashid#4643 wrote:
Rage bait or what's going on here?


Good damn question.

In the interest of returning the thread to any kind of conversation before it gets locked, I'll throw my two cents in here:

I think it's true that ES stacking builds outperform everything else... on an unlimited budget. But I disagree that it's a genuine problem warranting balance adjustments, because that gear is not easy to craft or cheap to buy. At a level of investment attainable by even your average "serious" player, ES/CI are perfectly in line with any other decent archetype and lags behind a few more potent meta setups.

There's a data bias here, because players see streamers who play this game full time in a trade league seeming to overwhelmingly favor ES stackers. But you can't draw conclusions from that without the greater context of, these are people with close to 1000 hours played in a single league. The game's just not balanced around that - and rightly so.

I think something only becomes a true balance issue when it outperforms everything else on a very small budget, which is certainly not the case here.


^ Thread.

Nothing I could add is better than this.
Last edited by Sabranic_SilverDeth#2793 on Aug 9, 2025, 4:03:32 AM
CI got indirectly buffed over recent leagues, mostly through:

-making chaos damage more common in maps
-introducing new armor bases with much more base energy shield

On top of that you have builds that scale damage off energy shield so ES stacking is double dipping as both offensive and defensive stat.

I think they just need to curb those ES stacking build, rather than ruining CI which is one of the most established concepts in the game.
Last edited by Esubane#6099 on Aug 9, 2025, 5:26:33 AM
ES is out of hand but most of its trickster, the endgame power creep variety is OK because its gated behind expensive crafting.

The real issue with ES I think is that its become blue life, it was supposed to be more awkward to recharge but a bigger pool. Instead its honestly easier to refill and has a bigger pool so it ends up being superior once you've put enough into it.

There are many avenues for GGG to tweak there and i hope they take a few of them but I don't think its majorly bad right now - a vast majority of the game is SC focused and it isn't like life doesn't work there as it is.

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