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No problem! After multiple days of tinkering, i've finally settled on a setup that I think performs the best and is the smoothest. I initially had issues with mana sustain against single tanky monsters (affliction empowered harvest rares or map bosses). Today I switch to eb/mom using diadem, and went lowlife with petrified blood.
I am also using a divine blessing setup: haste(mapping for speed, vaal haste too)/zealotry(bossing for damage).
Overall, dps is around 33m using zealotry, 25m of it being pure spell VD.
For my corpse life calculation I used the information below:
Base corpse life in ilvl 83 maps: 15319
Desecrate chance to spawn a kitavas herald: 15%
Kitavas herald life multiplier: 360% or 3.6x
Corpse multiplier from tree: 1.1x
Took the weighted average of corpse spawns as follows:
(15319)(.85) + (15319)(3.6)(.15) = 21293.41
(21293.41)(1.1) = 23422.751
23422 corpse life is what I am using in my PoB below:
https://pobb.in/1mwYMgyrahf0
PS...The reason I have 9 hits set for the corpse explosion is because I did some testing using self poison to see how many hits it actually had with awakened spell cascade. Results showed 9 hits with the 30% inc aoe from plaguebringer, 7 hits without it.
I think you are missing the Area level damage multiplier in your corpse life calcs. You can check a level 83 Kitava's Herald as having 115,260 life--Which is what the corpse life will base in a T16 map. Then take that and multiply by your sources of Corpse Life. I, for example, am using 2x Charms and a TWWT jewel with 19-20% corpse life each. So, in total my CL multiplier is 1.68x=in a T16 map my Kitava's Heralds have 193,636 life, a Desecrated Bonestalker (90% life) in the same area will have 28,815x1.68=48,409 life.
Do with that information as you will.
Base life of Monster Level X Area Level bonus X Corpse Life modifiers
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Posted byGryphenpreyon Dec 20, 2023, 1:52:36 AM
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No problem! After multiple days of tinkering, i've finally settled on a setup that I think performs the best and is the smoothest. I initially had issues with mana sustain against single tanky monsters (affliction empowered harvest rares or map bosses). Today I switch to eb/mom using diadem, and went lowlife with petrified blood.
I am also using a divine blessing setup: haste(mapping for speed, vaal haste too)/zealotry(bossing for damage).
Overall, dps is around 33m using zealotry, 25m of it being pure spell VD.
For my corpse life calculation I used the information below:
Base corpse life in ilvl 83 maps: 15319
Desecrate chance to spawn a kitavas herald: 15%
Kitavas herald life multiplier: 360% or 3.6x
Corpse multiplier from tree: 1.1x
Took the weighted average of corpse spawns as follows:
(15319)(.85) + (15319)(3.6)(.15) = 21293.41
(21293.41)(1.1) = 23422.751
23422 corpse life is what I am using in my PoB below:
https://pobb.in/1mwYMgyrahf0
PS...The reason I have 9 hits set for the corpse explosion is because I did some testing using self poison to see how many hits it actually had with awakened spell cascade. Results showed 9 hits with the 30% inc aoe from plaguebringer, 7 hits without it.
How's the survivability feeling in t16s juiced up with wisps?
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Posted bytoddmcon Dec 20, 2023, 2:13:51 AM
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sorry to keep posting and not actually contributing-
but I've run into a bit of a problem. I keep running out of mana against single targets.
@SniggidyDiggidy how do you generate mana for your build? mine ended up closer to yours as Gryph's old PoB is hard to replicate
my PoB if that helps: https://pobb.in/PSpOwzbfpe4W
I'm thinking about annointing Essence Sap or Spirit Void, but I'm not sure if
1. that would fix the issue
2. the root problem is lack of crits or something
I cant afford helms with mana reservation efficiency, and I tried allocating Eldritch Battery (since Sniggy's PoB is right next to it) and I got bootyblasted. just by damage. but maybe that was also unrelated.. I didn't have the stun avoidance jewel when I had that allocated 😩
also I had -7 mana for skills on my ring but it wasnt helping so I switched back to a life craft
Last edited by T0RSE on Dec 20, 2023, 2:42:35 AM
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Posted byT0RSEon Dec 20, 2023, 2:41:26 AM
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sorry to keep posting and not actually contributing-
but I've run into a bit of a problem. I keep running out of mana against single targets.
@SniggidyDiggidy how do you generate mana for your build? mine ended up closer to yours as Gryph's old PoB is hard to replicate
my PoB if that helps: https://pobb.in/PSpOwzbfpe4W
I'm thinking about annointing Essence Sap or Spirit Void, but I'm not sure if
1. that would fix the issue
2. the root problem is lack of crits or something
I cant afford helms with mana reservation efficiency, and I tried allocating Eldritch Battery (since Sniggy's PoB is right next to it) and I got bootyblasted. just by damage. but maybe that was also unrelated.. I didn't have the stun avoidance jewel when I had that allocated 😩
also I had -7 mana for skills on my ring but it wasnt helping so I switched back to a life craft
I run entirely on mana in my current iteration. I'm using a mana on hit claw (10 per hit currently) and tons of reduced mana cost from Inspiration, tree, and flask. But I am also running on CI+Aegis (I was running CI+Staff for a bit, but too squishy by comparison).
This is a very expensive (like 3 mirrors) version I put together for someone else:
https://pobb.in/9sSIlkJaro51
This is my scuffed, but still very viable and nigh unkillable build that I am switching off of as we speak:
https://pobb.in/ikV_eeRJU5xV
I am working on my Melding+Leadership's Price+Aegis+original Sin POB/swap right now.
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Posted byGryphenpreyon Dec 20, 2023, 2:52:43 AM
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I run entirely on mana in my current iteration. I'm using a mana on hit claw (10 per hit currently) and tons of reduced mana cost from Inspiration, tree, and flask. But I am also running on CI+Aegis (I was running CI+Staff for a bit, but too squishy by comparison).
This is a very expensive (like 3 mirrors) version I put together for someone else:
https://pobb.in/9sSIlkJaro51
This is my scuffed, but still very viable and nigh unkillable build that I am switching off of as we speak:
https://pobb.in/ikV_eeRJU5xV
I am working on my Melding+Leadership's Price+Aegis+original Sin POB/swap right now.
Yeah I'm working off of a handful of divs so the mirror version aint for me :' )
but I will take a look at the scuffed version, maybe I can still switch out my staff at least
ty!
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Posted byT0RSEon Dec 20, 2023, 2:55:37 AM
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I run entirely on mana in my current iteration. I'm using a mana on hit claw (10 per hit currently) and tons of reduced mana cost from Inspiration, tree, and flask. But I am also running on CI+Aegis (I was running CI+Staff for a bit, but too squishy by comparison).
This is a very expensive (like 3 mirrors) version I put together for someone else:
https://pobb.in/9sSIlkJaro51
This is my scuffed, but still very viable and nigh unkillable build that I am switching off of as we speak:
https://pobb.in/ikV_eeRJU5xV
I am working on my Melding+Leadership's Price+Aegis+original Sin POB/swap right now.
Yeah I'm working off of a handful of divs so the mirror version aint for me :' )
but I will take a look at the scuffed version, maybe I can still switch out my staff at least
ty!
of course! The mirrors version is just something to aspire to really. But can give you ideas.
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Posted byGryphenpreyon Dec 20, 2023, 3:12:08 AM
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I think you are missing the Area level damage multiplier in your corpse life calcs.
Agreed. It's great news really.
It means the 23,422 is only using a 100% average mob %HP modifier instead of the old standard 150%. No idea what the current average should be (it'd take multiple hours desecrating and tracking mob spawns across various maps/tilesets, linking them back to %HP on poedb and then averaging it all out with enough datapoints to have a reasonable confidence interval... I'm certainly not keen to go there and can't imagine too many are given the natural variance involved in maps regardless making it relatively futile) but once I know a given number is on the lower end of estimations for sure I'm happy to use it knowing I can probably be realistically adding a further 20% or 30% damage in practice.
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Posted byTsuDhoNimon Dec 20, 2023, 6:34:53 AM
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sorry to keep posting and not actually contributing-
but I've run into a bit of a problem. I keep running out of mana against single targets.
@SniggidyDiggidy how do you generate mana for your build? mine ended up closer to yours as Gryph's old PoB is hard to replicate
my PoB if that helps: https://pobb.in/PSpOwzbfpe4W
I'm thinking about annointing Essence Sap or Spirit Void, but I'm not sure if
1. that would fix the issue
2. the root problem is lack of crits or something
I cant afford helms with mana reservation efficiency, and I tried allocating Eldritch Battery (since Sniggy's PoB is right next to it) and I got bootyblasted. just by damage. but maybe that was also unrelated.. I didn't have the stun avoidance jewel when I had that allocated 😩
also I had -7 mana for skills on my ring but it wasnt helping so I switched back to a life craft
The solution i found for this was using the mana mastery - 10% damage taken recouped as mana, and then also running forbidden rite instead of ball lightning in my utility lvl 1 cwdt. Ultimately though, i switched to eb/mom with the es on hit watchers eye and es leech and there are no issues with es sustain.
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Posted bySniggidyDiggidyon Dec 20, 2023, 7:50:17 AM
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sorry to keep posting and not actually contributing-
but I've run into a bit of a problem. I keep running out of mana against single targets.
@SniggidyDiggidy how do you generate mana for your build? mine ended up closer to yours as Gryph's old PoB is hard to replicate
my PoB if that helps: https://pobb.in/PSpOwzbfpe4W
I'm thinking about annointing Essence Sap or Spirit Void, but I'm not sure if
1. that would fix the issue
2. the root problem is lack of crits or something
I cant afford helms with mana reservation efficiency, and I tried allocating Eldritch Battery (since Sniggy's PoB is right next to it) and I got bootyblasted. just by damage. but maybe that was also unrelated.. I didn't have the stun avoidance jewel when I had that allocated 😩
also I had -7 mana for skills on my ring but it wasnt helping so I switched back to a life craft
I run entirely on mana in my current iteration. I'm using a mana on hit claw (10 per hit currently) and tons of reduced mana cost from Inspiration, tree, and flask. But I am also running on CI+Aegis (I was running CI+Staff for a bit, but too squishy by comparison).
This is a very expensive (like 3 mirrors) version I put together for someone else:
https://pobb.in/9sSIlkJaro51
This is my scuffed, but still very viable and nigh unkillable build that I am switching off of as we speak:
https://pobb.in/ikV_eeRJU5xV
I am working on my Melding+Leadership's Price+Aegis+original Sin POB/swap right now.
Hey Gryph, how do you craft this claw? Oo I tried to theorycraft myself, but seems impossible
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Posted byRaggonon Dec 20, 2023, 7:55:09 AM
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No problem! After multiple days of tinkering, i've finally settled on a setup that I think performs the best and is the smoothest. I initially had issues with mana sustain against single tanky monsters (affliction empowered harvest rares or map bosses). Today I switch to eb/mom using diadem, and went lowlife with petrified blood.
I am also using a divine blessing setup: haste(mapping for speed, vaal haste too)/zealotry(bossing for damage).
Overall, dps is around 33m using zealotry, 25m of it being pure spell VD.
For my corpse life calculation I used the information below:
Base corpse life in ilvl 83 maps: 15319
Desecrate chance to spawn a kitavas herald: 15%
Kitavas herald life multiplier: 360% or 3.6x
Corpse multiplier from tree: 1.1x
Took the weighted average of corpse spawns as follows:
(15319)(.85) + (15319)(3.6)(.15) = 21293.41
(21293.41)(1.1) = 23422.751
23422 corpse life is what I am using in my PoB below:
https://pobb.in/1mwYMgyrahf0
PS...The reason I have 9 hits set for the corpse explosion is because I did some testing using self poison to see how many hits it actually had with awakened spell cascade. Results showed 9 hits with the 30% inc aoe from plaguebringer, 7 hits without it.
I think you are missing the Area level damage multiplier in your corpse life calcs. You can check a level 83 Kitava's Herald as having 115,260 life--Which is what the corpse life will base in a T16 map. Then take that and multiply by your sources of Corpse Life. I, for example, am using 2x Charms and a TWWT jewel with 19-20% corpse life each. So, in total my CL multiplier is 1.68x=in a T16 map my Kitava's Heralds have 193,636 life, a Desecrated Bonestalker (90% life) in the same area will have 28,815x1.68=48,409 life.
Do with that information as you will.
Base life of Monster Level X Area Level bonus X Corpse Life modifiers
Oh wow I did not know about the map multiplier. So then with just the tree max corpse life 10% increase, the weighted average of my corpse life comes out to 48,953.
Thanks for the help Gryph and past Gryph! I found your old video explaining all of this for your cremation build :)
Last edited by SniggidyDiggidy on Dec 20, 2023, 8:26:42 AM
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Posted bySniggidyDiggidyon Dec 20, 2023, 8:03:39 AM
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