Atlas Changes in 3.10.0
" So what I get from this, according to your very scientific research the vast majority of players wants to get maximum rewards for minimum investment. Everything should just be easy and free and achievable for the worst players within a week. You're talking bout diablo 3. Go play diablo 3 honestly. "some players can't farm a few dozen exalts" like, that's the point, you gotta get good to be good. If you don't spend any time, thought or dedication to a game you SHOULD see no results. Don't even claim you even put thought into it too because if you really did you would notice map drops aren't necessarily nerfed but just shifted back into the side content a little so players that actually want to play the game have a reason to. Like around 5% ADDITIVE mapdrop bonus lost boohoo, run the side area. Given a map of 400 monsters and a tiny side area of just 50 monsters you just got a 12.5% MULTIPLICATIVE bonus back, just by killing more shit which you essentially should've done anyway but probably didn't given you can't farm a dozen exalts in a league apparently let alone a week or so. Then when time really is an issue and you can only play an couple hours every league, why the f are you playing league then, there's a standard mode that doesn't remove your progress every 3 months. | |
" They fricken buffed it. In 3.9 already! And I was always having more maps than I did in 3.8. But I guess they were not being dropped for free from the sky so people STILL complained over map drops. I also had the most unique map drops Ive ever had. Now they buffed it again. What exactly did you not read???? |
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Last edited by XeoTech on Sep 30, 2023, 3:11:27 AM
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"In Conquerors of the Atlas, we dramatically and somewhat inadvertently increased the map drop rate, through the following mechanisms:"
And then the list goes on. Are people blind? What map drop nerf? For crying out loud if you can't put the time to play the content don't bloody play the content. Go play D3. Better yet, go play Wolcen on offline mode and fiddle with the save files to have everything unlocked without even playing at all. My god its mind blowing how some people still don't get it. Great work GGG. Keep it up. And don't bring back Cartographer Seals in any way. No thanks. And don't bring back single map farming. Whoever wants to single farm maps is in the wrong game and doesn't even understand what rng drop rates are all about to begin with.... the backbone to an arpg. They should go play something completely irrelevant. This game thrived because it didn't hand things over for free. Don't start now. Its already at a good spot. Increasing chances the way you did is nice, creating more determined results is also nice. And that is good enough. If you keep listening to some of these baboons we are going to end up getting 10 maps free of our choice every day alongside the atlas missions that we get for free, just for showing up. That is primarily what they are asking for at this point. |
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" They haven't buffed anything. The current Atlas progression has been designed in such a way in which if you want to get extremely valuable rewards - the REGULAR map drops need to become more random (and thus - useless) as the player progresses. Players are forced through the bonuses that do impact the access to the most rewarding stuff - to give up the control over Atlas (and what drops at what tier) by bringing every region up to tier 14-16, with 4 socketed watchstones in every watchtower. But in doing so players are effectively slashing their IIQ when it comes to map drops with every fully upgraded watchtower because they're throwing more and more useless map layouts into the t14-t16 drop pool, up to awakened level 8 and thus - severely diluting their chances to obtain higher tiered maps with good layouts/density/rewards (like div cards, etc). In other words - GGG is forcing players to upgrade all the regions up to tier 14-16 and thus - to give up the control over Atlas, to pollute their map drop pool with bad map layouts, while blocking all lower map tier drops (1-13) AND.. at the same time - they're severely nerfing the tier 14-16 map drops overall (see the recent changes).. All you get is less control and effectively LESS map drops as you progress. Now - compare the current convoluted mess that you (and other people that praise it) don't understand at all (judging by your comments) to the old atlas with unshaping orbs.. But yeah - the devs don't understand the impact of their own design choices, so why should you. " Last edited by jewelsy2 on Mar 5, 2020, 1:44:45 AM
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" No, no and no. People with short attention spans dont belong in this game. People with short attention spans did not "build" this game and support it. People with short attention spans STILL wont play this game from the passive tree alone to the currency items to the crafting. What you are babbling about is irrelevant. Yeah, its 2020, and we are happy to have one developer that gets it and sticks to the routes from 2000 and improves on those and finds interesting ways to expand on them. Not every game has to be for the mainstream attention span. If that is all that matters, go play the next Fortnite and stop posting feedback. This is the very mentality that will kill the game. Meanwhile, there are already casual argps out there. Any simple thinking person should be able to understand that you don't stay alive in a competition by offering the same things the competition is offering. PoE is doing its own thing, and THAT is what makes it loved and different. Those that want a different kind of game, there is nothing wrong with that and it is a matter of personal subjective taste. There are titles out there for them. They should try them out. Trying however to change a game from what it is to what it never intended to be is not right, and rather backward. Its the same as jumping into a racing simulator and complaining about attention spans and the realism of the game and ask for them to make it into a new arcade racer instead. In the wrong place if that is how you feel and if that is your suggestion for the game going forward. Thankfully, from what they show, GGG gets this. So fingers crossed they never forget it. edit: Also in D2 there was no end game period. You are comparing apples to oranges. You want a proper comparison? Kitava is your end story boss (equivalent of Diablo, or Baal). Difference is, PoE has actual end game which starts at that point. Again, apples and oranges. Your comparison is just not a relevant one. Last edited by HazaRdReborN on Mar 5, 2020, 1:57:53 AM
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" Why not make the seal's disable the map its used on it, so granting the completion bonus but is excluded from the drop table such a simple solution would already make things like 1000% better. Last edited by mistsack on Mar 5, 2020, 2:05:51 AM
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A thought: The change requires us to complete specific maps in order to progress with the Conquerors and Sirus, which would make people farm maps just so that they can wait one of the necessary maps to drop - or spend currency hoping to transform into that map. Their main focus would be to continue the Conqueror progress, and the maps they do along the way will be seen as a distraction - especially because trading is an alternative to farming.
But... Maybe the idea here is to make people focus on completing maps for its own sake? It's kinda hard to get into that mood when you're just waiting for a map to drop, and you know that you can trade for it, though. This just moves the non-determinism to map drops (which you can skip by trading for maps, which everyone hates doing). A common reason why people are unhappy with this is that when you complete a good map, and it drops no good maps, so they just wasted their time (and in fact it was a net negative). Here's an idea: make it hard, but more deterministic to spawn Conquerors. Something like this (not necessarily with the exact numbers): You need to complete 5-20 maps in an area in order to spawn a Conqueror; completing each map is guaranteed to progress towards that goal, but the amount of progress can be small or large, but cannot be zero. This removes the frustration of knowing that you completed a map for no gain, but maintains the excitement from knowing that you can make a lot of progress with this one map. The average can remain the same - in exchange for getting that guarantee, we'd lose some of the chance of getting lucky. This also removes the need to trade for maps. |
