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Is there a consensus on whether the Skeleton variant is better/faster?
I was talking to PoeDan and he was saying none of the awakener people are using Agony because the DPS is too low, but they are SSF.
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Posted bylivejamie#0512on Dec 24, 2019, 1:04:18 AM
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livejamie wrote:
Is there a consensus on whether the Skeleton variant is better/faster?
I was talking to PoeDan and he was saying none of the awakener people are using Agony because the DPS is too low, but they are SSF.
He removed his link to the skeleton PoB. I'm still using them because I'm partial to skeletons, I haven't reached red maps yet though. Once I have time to get to endgame content I can update with how its working.
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Posted byNSUCK#0844on Dec 24, 2019, 1:37:32 AM
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livejamie wrote:
Is there a consensus on whether the Skeleton variant is better/faster?
I was talking to PoeDan and he was saying none of the awakener people are using Agony because the DPS is too low, but they are SSF.
He removed his link to the skeleton PoB. I'm still using them because I'm partial to skeletons, I haven't reached red maps yet though. Once I have time to get to endgame content I can update with how its working.
Oh that's frustrating, can you or somebody else share it so I can bookmark it?
livejamie
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Posted bylivejamie#0512on Dec 24, 2019, 1:49:50 AM
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livejamie wrote:
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NSUCK wrote:
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livejamie wrote:
Is there a consensus on whether the Skeleton variant is better/faster?
I was talking to PoeDan and he was saying none of the awakener people are using Agony because the DPS is too low, but they are SSF.
He removed his link to the skeleton PoB. I'm still using them because I'm partial to skeletons, I haven't reached red maps yet though. Once I have time to get to endgame content I can update with how its working.
Oh that's frustrating, can you or somebody else share it so I can bookmark it?
Huh, wonder why he removed anything about Skelletons from the OP. It is FAR superior for the Awakener fight and the switch is done in like 30 seconds.
I think this is the Skellie PoB: https://pastebin.com/zZ3PWzCp
Can't check right now as I don't have access to PoB here.
Last edited by Mecielle#3021 on Dec 24, 2019, 2:39:04 AM
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Posted byMecielle#3021on Dec 24, 2019, 2:36:37 AM
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Huh, wonder why he removed anything about Skelletons from the OP. It is FAR superior for the Awakener fight and the switch is done in like 30 seconds.
I think this is the Skellie PoB: https://pastebin.com/zZ3PWzCp
Can't check right now as I don't have access to PoB here.
What's the point of switching back and forth? From my understanding Herald of Agony is only better when delving deep, skeletons is better for everything else.
livejamie
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Posted bylivejamie#0512on Dec 24, 2019, 2:49:38 AM
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Mecielle wrote:
Huh, wonder why he removed anything about Skelletons from the OP. It is FAR superior for the Awakener fight and the switch is done in like 30 seconds.
I think this is the Skellie PoB: https://pastebin.com/zZ3PWzCp
Can't check right now as I don't have access to PoB here.
What's the point of switching back and forth? From my understanding Herald of Agony is only better when delving deep, skeletons is better for everything else.
Yea, no. What ever gave you that idea? It is pretty much the exact opposite lol. Skelletons is unplayable in this build for anything but the Awakener fight, and is only better there because it can be annoying to keep up Virulence against him in his last phase. You will be 100% unable to kill a T15+ metamorph with them. Or even clear a juiced up T15+ map. Believe me, I tried. After 2 minutes and the Metamorph still at 95% life, I switched back and HoAg killed it in 5 seconds.
We simply have not invested enough into minions, like a classic Skelleton build would, to make them viable. You can spam Skelletons all you want, if the 4 you summon die 0.01s later before they can get a hit in, you won't be doing any damage.
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Posted byMecielle#3021on Dec 24, 2019, 3:03:36 AM
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livejamie wrote:
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Mecielle wrote:
Huh, wonder why he removed anything about Skelletons from the OP. It is FAR superior for the Awakener fight and the switch is done in like 30 seconds.
I think this is the Skellie PoB: https://pastebin.com/zZ3PWzCp
Can't check right now as I don't have access to PoB here.
What's the point of switching back and forth? From my understanding Herald of Agony is only better when delving deep, skeletons is better for everything else.
Yea, no. What ever gave you that idea? It is pretty much the exact opposite lol. Skelletons is unplayable in this build for anything but the Awakener fight, and is only better there because it can be annoying to keep up Virulence against him in his last phase. You will be 100% unable to kill a T15+ metamorph with them. Or even clear a juiced up T15+ map. Believe me, I tried. After 2 minutes and the Metamorph still at 95% life, I switched back and HoAg killed it in 5 seconds.
We simply have not invested enough into minions, like a classic Skelleton build would, to make them viable. You can spam Skelletons all you want, if the 4 you summon die 0.01s later before they can get a hit in, you won't be doing any damage.
Oh I'm confused then, it was my original question at the top of this page as to what was better.
livejamie
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Posted bylivejamie#0512on Dec 24, 2019, 3:34:38 AM
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Oh I'm confused then, it was my original question at the top of this page as to what was better.
Well, as i said. In my opinion Skellies make the Awakener fight a lot smoother and less frustrating because they deal constant DPS instead of only occasional DPS when you manage to stack Virulence. But for everything else it isn't even close, HoAg easily.
Maybe you can make some more changes to the build, sacrificing some defense to make Skellies more viable for general mapping, but I doubt it will be worth it. When played right and in the correct maps, HoAg has pretty decent clear speed.
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Posted byMecielle#3021on Dec 24, 2019, 3:43:04 AM
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I got a really nice Circle of Nostalgia drop and since I want to play finally something tanky and something that can push delve, this looks like the the perfect build to try. But I have one question. Did you all just played some fast level stuff before making the switch to CI and this builds skill at around 68 or did you level with spctre/zombies and Agony?
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Posted bykonean#4232on Dec 24, 2019, 4:12:12 AM
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That was exactly my problem at the awakened fight. What is the 3 or 4 link skeleton to keep virulence? Specters died and ball lightning was hard to keep up while dodging.
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Mecielle wrote:
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livejamie wrote:
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Mecielle wrote:
Huh, wonder why he removed anything about Skelletons from the OP. It is FAR superior for the Awakener fight and the switch is done in like 30 seconds.
I think this is the Skellie PoB: https://pastebin.com/zZ3PWzCp
Can't check right now as I don't have access to PoB here.
What's the point of switching back and forth? From my understanding Herald of Agony is only better when delving deep, skeletons is better for everything else.
Yea, no. What ever gave you that idea? It is pretty much the exact opposite lol. Skelletons is unplayable in this build for anything but the Awakener fight, and is only better there because it can be annoying to keep up Virulence against him in his last phase. You will be 100% unable to kill a T15+ metamorph with them. Or even clear a juiced up T15+ map. Believe me, I tried. After 2 minutes and the Metamorph still at 95% life, I switched back and HoAg killed it in 5 seconds.
We simply have not invested enough into minions, like a classic Skelleton build would, to make them viable. You can spam Skelletons all you want, if the 4 you summon die 0.01s later before they can get a hit in, you won't be doing any damage.
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Posted byxikorita#6561on Dec 24, 2019, 4:56:33 AM
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