[3.10] Herald of Agony Mana Guardian | 2.5 Minute Sirus 8 | Deathless T19 100% Delirium

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lordaverage42 wrote:

While Time of Need does have great perks I have to say all the microstuns during mapping can be a pain in the ass. Gonna try kiaras determination or something else maybe (tho don't know what else will fit very well) to help a bit.

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Kirby1978 wrote:

@Mecielle
should i follow the 68point skilltree trough leveling ? or should i skill something else in the leveling process ?

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Big_Scary_Mouse wrote:

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lordaverage42 wrote:

While Time of Need does have great perks I have to say all the microstuns during mapping can be a pain in the ass. Gonna try kiaras determination or something else maybe (tho don't know what else will fit very well) to help a bit.

But why would you choose between Time of Need and Bastion of Hope? Both are top tier nodes, both provide massive amounts of survivability. Just get rid of Unwavering Crusade, the damage decrease is rather minor. I've been running this setup for months now and have never felt that I was lacking any damage.
Keep in mind that Bastion of Hope also provides +20% of Spell Block (assuming you have Glancing Blows), which is massive.

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Mecielle wrote:

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Big_Scary_Mouse wrote:

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lordaverage42 wrote:

While Time of Need does have great perks I have to say all the microstuns during mapping can be a pain in the ass. Gonna try kiaras determination or something else maybe (tho don't know what else will fit very well) to help a bit.

But why would you choose between Time of Need and Bastion of Hope? Both are top tier nodes, both provide massive amounts of survivability. Just get rid of Unwavering Crusade, the damage decrease is rather minor. I've been running this setup for months now and have never felt that I was lacking any damage.
Keep in mind that Bastion of Hope also provides +20% of Spell Block (assuming you have Glancing Blows), which is massive.

Yea, I really don't want to lose the 30% increased damage, 15% increased attack speed and 10% MORE damage from Unwavering Crusade. Have you played the endgame since the patch?

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Big_Scary_Mouse wrote:

Yes, I killed Sirus just a couple of days ago. He went down pretty fast. Killed all the Guardians as well. They definitely take a bit longer but still die in seconds. I have pretty good gear though.

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Mecielle wrote:

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Big_Scary_Mouse wrote:

Yes, I killed Sirus just a couple of days ago. He went down pretty fast. Killed all the Guardians as well. They definitely take a bit longer but still die in seconds. I have pretty good gear though.

Yea, I edited my comment. Of course with your insane gear you have no damage problem. But you really should not say people in league, which is 99% of those reading here, should get rid of such a big chunk of their damage when the only beenefit they get is some more survivability when they are already tanky as all fuck.

Like, T14 Metamorphs will outregen them :D

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Big_Scary_Mouse wrote:

Fair enough, but I think you really overestimate the damage increase this node gives. The bulk of your HoAG damage comes from HoAG's levels and gem links. 10% more damage is very nice, no question about it, but it is not as crucial as the other two nodes.
You can run the numbers in PoB and see for yourself that the damage won't change all that much without Unwavering Crusade, unless you are really starving for damage right now.

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Mecielle wrote:

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Big_Scary_Mouse wrote:

Fair enough, but I think you really overestimate the damage increase this node gives. The bulk of your HoAG damage comes from HoAG's levels and gem links. 10% more damage is very nice, no question about it, but it is not as crucial as the other two nodes.
You can run the numbers in PoB and see for yourself that the damage won't change all that much without Unwavering Crusade, unless you are really starving for damage right now.

I am not saying its insane damage. I am saying it is the only easy source of damage many can get. I think the node will end up being around 10% of all the damage the build does, so while noticeable, its not OP or anything.

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Mecielle wrote:

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Furywrath wrote:

Yea my bad, saw earlier that CoN was at 14 ex+ must have boched my search.
Cool il get at this build to day then, cant wait to try out HoAg never used it. Any levling tips? Or just usual twink gear + HoAg from 16?

Usual leveling stuff and HoAg from 16, but instead of using Ball Lightning to get Virulence stacks, use a Quill Rain with Rain of Arrows + Lesser Poison. Can even throw in a curse on hit, or use the curse on hit ring. Leveling with Ball Lightning is slow as fuck, I hated the contrast between zooming around in my Seven-leagues and then casting Ball Lightning with a 1 second cast time animation. Also, don't forget "The Golden Rule" jewel, it doubles the amount of Virulence you generate per Rain of Arrow. As another tip, get a "Fortress Covenant" and a "Quickening Covenant" for cheap and socket them top left and right of Scion start. No other passives near those sockets, so you have pure benefit. And they are huge for leveleing.

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Big_Scary_Mouse wrote:

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Mecielle wrote:

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Big_Scary_Mouse wrote:

Fair enough, but I think you really overestimate the damage increase this node gives. The bulk of your HoAG damage comes from HoAG's levels and gem links. 10% more damage is very nice, no question about it, but it is not as crucial as the other two nodes.
You can run the numbers in PoB and see for yourself that the damage won't change all that much without Unwavering Crusade, unless you are really starving for damage right now.

I am not saying its insane damage. I am saying it is the only easy source of damage many can get. I think the node will end up being around 10% of all the damage the build does, so while noticeable, its not OP or anything.

Yes, I see your point now. Nevertheless, you should consider dropping the node when you can get better gear. Trust me, you will have enough damage for any content in this game once you get your HoAG to a high enough level.
I did Sirus even without Onslaught (still in the process of getting Raise Spectre LVL 21) and he still went down fast, especially for such a tanky build.