I agree that its not as new players/budget/endgame friendly as its advertized, that was maybe possible before the nerfs. The biggest problem I see with other players posting here isnt as much the gear cost to be able to do red tier, but the build understanding and mechanics, like people putting unrelated gems, dont give them quality, trying to run aspect fo the avian on tanky gear setup and not having mana for it, trying to buy rare items like rings/belts /amulet with resists and life when in reality the tanky setup is centered around strength scalling, from strength you get all the life/es you need while you can pretty easily cap your resistances from passive three and ascendencies. What you really need to be able to go red maps and even sirius 4-6 is: a good 6l weapon for the build (10-11 ex, this is the main cost), empower lv4 (3ex), raise zombie lv21/20% (just farm it like probably everyone else did, farm 6 of them in off hand weapons and then corrupt), the baron (cheap), alberon wrathpath (with 18% inc strength, also cheap) and at least 5l geofri sanctuary (even a 6l is less than 3 ex). For rares you dont need crazy stats, just look for rings/belts with as much strength as you can and some resitances (forget chaos res/life/es rolls, prioritize strength). Use astramentis with death attunement enchant if you can, this is the best uniq in place for tanky setup, only consider using another rare amulet if you have 20+ex to add to the build. And also 2 efficient training (cheap). Thats it, I did tier 16 + sirius up to level 6 without enlightened lv4 (i didnt use any until i bought lv4 and added flesh and stone aura)/ animate guardian or other expensive gear. So all in all you really need 15-20ex to beat half of the endgame (you can beat elder easy/ shaper a bit harder bcs zombies die more easily to his beam). For sirius 7+ and uber elder yes, you probably need better gear, but for those endgame bosses you need to spend a lot with any build. All in all the main problem is that this build is very versatile, and you can reach 1k strength without many problems with the gear i told before, BUT you need to be able to navigate the passive three to balance the build where you lack from gear. And dont expect other player to read this forum all the time and answer all your questions, they too want to play the gameand bcs even I see day after day people macking questions that are either answered in front page build guide (that they apparently didnt read whole) or 2-3 pages before by someone else. Yes this build is not really new players friendly or brain dead (like maybe it was, i dont know, first league playing it) but you also can make it work on semi budget (15-20ex) if you know how to balance it.
WHere do you put the 2nd efficient training jewel?
I agree that its not as new players/budget/endgame friendly as its advertized, that was maybe possible before the nerfs. The biggest problem I see with other players posting here isnt as much the gear cost to be able to do red tier, but the build understanding and mechanics, like people putting unrelated gems, dont give them quality, trying to run aspect fo the avian on tanky gear setup and not having mana for it, trying to buy rare items like rings/belts /amulet with resists and life when in reality the tanky setup is centered around strength scalling, from strength you get all the life/es you need while you can pretty easily cap your resistances from passive three and ascendencies. What you really need to be able to go red maps and even sirius 4-6 is: a good 6l weapon for the build (10-11 ex, this is the main cost), empower lv4 (3ex), raise zombie lv21/20% (just farm it like probably everyone else did, farm 6 of them in off hand weapons and then corrupt), the baron (cheap), alberon wrathpath (with 18% inc strength, also cheap) and at least 5l geofri sanctuary (even a 6l is less than 3 ex). For rares you dont need crazy stats, just look for rings/belts with as much strength as you can and some resitances (forget chaos res/life/es rolls, prioritize strength). Use astramentis with death attunement enchant if you can, this is the best uniq in place for tanky setup, only consider using another rare amulet if you have 20+ex to add to the build. And also 2 efficient training (cheap). Thats it, I did tier 16 + sirius up to level 6 without enlightened lv4 (i didnt use any until i bought lv4 and added flesh and stone aura)/ animate guardian or other expensive gear. So all in all you really need 15-20ex to beat half of the endgame (you can beat elder easy/ shaper a bit harder bcs zombies die more easily to his beam). For sirius 7+ and uber elder yes, you probably need better gear, but for those endgame bosses you need to spend a lot with any build. All in all the main problem is that this build is very versatile, and you can reach 1k strength without many problems with the gear i told before, BUT you need to be able to navigate the passive three to balance the build where you lack from gear. And dont expect other player to read this forum all the time and answer all your questions, they too want to play the gameand bcs even I see day after day people macking questions that are either answered in front page build guide (that they apparently didnt read whole) or 2-3 pages before by someone else. Yes this build is not really new players friendly or brain dead (like maybe it was, i dont know, first league playing it) but you also can make it work on semi budget (15-20ex) if you know how to balance it.
WHere do you put the 2nd efficient training jewel?
Another question i am prety sure in asnwered just by loocking at tanky budget setup. You put 1 near "quick recovery" notable, adn the second one depends if you run thread of hope or not. if you run it than near "Dreamer" notable, if you dont run it than near "Instability" notable.
I want to "speed farming build" with 25 Exalted orbs. Is this a mistake? (I want to return the maps fast)
I have budget starter building right now and it's really bad. I die even though my resists are 76 (+30 chaos). Of course I make maps, but not serial. (T12)
Addressing Brunova, Elorathiel, struggling necromancer and this build in general
1) to Brunova
You've done an amazing job, spent a lot of time not only playing and testing this build, but also editing, writing about it, really. However, you havent played it this league, you dont know how difficult (or not) Delirium is, even when you try to decrease the quality of your gear and show how awesome this build still is, the rest of your gear is still almost God-tier.
I'm sorry, but as someone said before, it seems like a cheap scam. Because it is. You either state in the description that it is standard build or that you need to HEAVILY invest in it to farm red maps with no problems. It's not for newbies and new players.
It is NOT the most powerful build anymore, you CANT (anymore) put your Raised Zombies in the Tabula and go kick some ass.
Sorry, but that't the truth. I'm kind of sad seeing inexperienced PoE players getting influenced by your posts how crazy this build is and then getting destroyed in yellow maps and not understand why.
Who needs guides? Who asks questions? Who struggles? New or inexperienced players. This build is not for them. And you should state that.
2) to Elorathiel
Man, stop flexing. Seriously. A struggling necromancer appears, says he cant do Simulacrum and then out of nowhere you show up and demonstrate that this build is great, you've done 20th wave with no problem, here is proof, bla-bla-bla...
How many exalts you invested? 70? 80? 100? Your wands are at least 10ex each. Your chest is how much? 15-20? Two jewels 7-8ex each? Enlighten/Empower lvl4, Zombies/Spectres/AG lvl21, awakened melee physical 8ex, ect, ect, ect. Of course you can do t16 100% delirious!
ANY BUILD IN POE can do ANY CONTENT if you invest a lot of currency. In case somebody didnt know.
And dont you say to me, you dont need that kind of gear to do all the content...YES YOU DO. May be not to that extend, but you MUST invest heavily in the build to work as it supposed to. 5% dps here, 4% there, another 3% there and it all adds up to 100% more dps, 100% more zombie HP. Yes, it actually does.
I played this build from the start, invested at least 40ex for it to play more or less comfortably, so I know what I'm talking about.
3) to struggling and new necromancers
This build is not cheap at all. I would even say it is very expensive. Not mirror-tier, but still. If you think you can pick up a 5link or a Tabula, invest 1-2-3 ex (or even 5) and go farm red maps, sorry, I have bad news for you. Budget setup doesnt work anymore. Dont start with it if dont have AT LEAST 20ex.
If you're patient, ready to farm white/yellow maps to build up tens of exalts and progress it further and further after tens of hours of playing, yes, of course you can do it. But that's the only way.
Most important points about getting this build where is HAS to be:
1) Many people said it and I repeat - 1000 strength. Dont bother even mapping without them. It is very easily achieved with Efficient training jewel and gear with "to strength"
2) 22 lvl zombies (20 from gem, 2 from ascendancy) are SHITE. You need to have at least 27-28. 30 is optimal. Either through +1/+1 wands or crafted two-handed. This is when you'll feel a HUGE difference in both - suitability of your zombies and dps. Yes, I've done t16 map with lvl 25 Zombies, but I cant say I was comfortable playing like this.
3) Forget about Tabula or a 5link if you're progressing to high tier yellow or even red maps. You need something better.
4) Dressing up you Animate Guarding with appropriate chest - Nearby enemies are blinded and 10% of maximum life is added as energy shield (plus, other end-game set up of course). Together with Meat Shield (so it stays close to you) should do the trick. On Sirus you can swap for Minion Life just in case. It is not just a quality of life upgrade. This is a must-have if you're planning to farm delirious high-tier maps.
This is so true. i wish they acknowledge that this is no longer a strong build . Minimum 20 ex is required for the build to do yellow maps and 30 for red and 50 probably to do A8 sirius deathless/simalcrum deathles.
Everyone does not know crafting. we buy slightly expensive items at the cost of spending 10 hrs learning and experimenting. Even the basic cluster jewel large with 1 socket are in the price range of 100 -150 chaos at least.
Even i have asked for help at least 4-5 times and only twice did someone get back to me with advice, if you scroll last 20 pages anyone can see the amount of questions vs amount of answers are liek 95:5
GGG has offically nerfed this build to the ground and anyone saying otherwise please prove it by defeating Uber Elder/A8 Sirius with just 5 exalts gear ( CURRENT MARKET PRICE) not what you bought at league start.
i feel guilty af for investing so much currency in this build but i'm so used to the play style since 2 leagues that after 6 months you still want to try and make it work somehow.
i hope OP and others either find solutions and stop flexing with what they built when the cost associated are 20-50 exalts..
an average POE player makes 10-20 ex's on an average per league.. i know because i'm an admin of the path of exile play pit facebook page and daily the questions /information we come across gives us a basic idea how people are performing this league.. funny part is every summoner there is confused too :D
20-50 exalts? lol your looking at 100 exa just for pride auls and awakened multistrike
I really like the build and guess i'm gonna play it next league too. My gear ATM:
can you tell what should I min-max next? also what do you think about bow+quiver insted of staff? Bow loses fortify but can craft "minions deal +100% damage" and quiver can give some HP too.
What auras do u keep on? I'm trying to figure out how to keep Discipline on, all the mana adds up to > 100%
Do you run Discipline (non vaal), Purity of Elements, Flesh and Stone, Dread Banner and Avian at the same time?
I can run all of them having 14 mana left for free (picked nodes in passive treen for reduced mana reserved) but i dont need that many resistances so i'm switching off purity of elements. Maybe I can switch it for some useful aura?
I really like the build and guess i'm gonna play it next league too. My gear ATM:
can you tell what should I min-max next? also what do you think about bow+quiver insted of staff? Bow loses fortify but can craft "minions deal +100% damage" and quiver can give some HP too.
What auras do u keep on? I'm trying to figure out how to keep Discipline on, all the mana adds up to > 100%
Do you run Discipline (non vaal), Purity of Elements, Flesh and Stone, Dread Banner and Avian at the same time?
I can run all of them having 14 mana left for free (picked nodes in passive treen for reduced mana reserved) but i dont need that many resistances so i'm switching off purity of elements. Maybe I can switch it for some useful aura?
taking purity of will hurt your minions survivability
I agree that its not as new players/budget/endgame friendly as its advertized, that was maybe possible before the nerfs. The biggest problem I see with other players posting here isnt as much the gear cost to be able to do red tier, but the build understanding and mechanics, like people putting unrelated gems, dont give them quality, trying to run aspect fo the avian on tanky gear setup and not having mana for it, trying to buy rare items like rings/belts /amulet with resists and life when in reality the tanky setup is centered around strength scalling, from strength you get all the life/es you need while you can pretty easily cap your resistances from passive three and ascendencies. What you really need to be able to go red maps and even sirius 4-6 is: a good 6l weapon for the build (10-11 ex, this is the main cost), empower lv4 (3ex), raise zombie lv21/20% (just farm it like probably everyone else did, farm 6 of them in off hand weapons and then corrupt), the baron (cheap), alberon wrathpath (with 18% inc strength, also cheap) and at least 5l geofri sanctuary (even a 6l is less than 3 ex). For rares you dont need crazy stats, just look for rings/belts with as much strength as you can and some resitances (forget chaos res/life/es rolls, prioritize strength). Use astramentis with death attunement enchant if you can, this is the best uniq in place for tanky setup, only consider using another rare amulet if you have 20+ex to add to the build. And also 2 efficient training (cheap). Thats it, I did tier 16 + sirius up to level 6 without enlightened lv4 (i didnt use any until i bought lv4 and added flesh and stone aura)/ animate guardian or other expensive gear. So all in all you really need 15-20ex to beat half of the endgame (you can beat elder easy/ shaper a bit harder bcs zombies die more easily to his beam). For sirius 7+ and uber elder yes, you probably need better gear, but for those endgame bosses you need to spend a lot with any build. All in all the main problem is that this build is very versatile, and you can reach 1k strength without many problems with the gear i told before, BUT you need to be able to navigate the passive three to balance the build where you lack from gear. And dont expect other player to read this forum all the time and answer all your questions, they too want to play the gameand bcs even I see day after day people macking questions that are either answered in front page build guide (that they apparently didnt read whole) or 2-3 pages before by someone else. Yes this build is not really new players friendly or brain dead (like maybe it was, i dont know, first league playing it) but you also can make it work on semi budget (15-20ex) if you know how to balance it.
WHere do you put the 2nd efficient training jewel?
Another question i am prety sure in asnwered just by loocking at tanky budget setup. You put 1 near "quick recovery" notable, adn the second one depends if you run thread of hope or not. if you run it than near "Dreamer" notable, if you dont run it than near "Instability" notable.
Thanks for the quick reply. I'm using thread of hope. I just checked the Tanky build again and there isn't a mention about the 2nd training jewel? I also looked at the path of building for it, unless is changed, it doesnt spec towards the dreamer notable to get that jewel socket. Am i missing something? Seems like quite a bit of skill points needed just to get that jewel socket.
WHere do you put the 2nd efficient training jewel?
Another question i am prety sure in asnwered just by loocking at tanky budget setup. You put 1 near "quick recovery" notable, adn the second one depends if you run thread of hope or not. if you run it than near "Dreamer" notable, if you dont run it than near "Instability" notable.
Thanks for the quick reply. I'm using thread of hope. I just checked the Tanky build again and there isn't a mention about the 2nd training jewel? I also looked at the path of building for it, unless is changed, it doesnt spec towards the dreamer notable to get that jewel socket. Am i missing something? Seems like quite a bit of skill points needed just to get that jewel socket.
You use it if you need to reach 1k strength. also you need to be lv92+ to do it more easily. If you dont use cluster jewels going that way isnt too far, also bcs there are life/es nodes near and minion life/res/damage.
This is so true. i wish they acknowledge that this is no longer a strong build . Minimum 20 ex is required for the build to do yellow maps and 30 for red and 50 probably to do A8 sirius deathless/simalcrum deathles.
Everyone does not know crafting. we buy slightly expensive items at the cost of spending 10 hrs learning and experimenting. Even the basic cluster jewel large with 1 socket are in the price range of 100 -150 chaos at least.
Even i have asked for help at least 4-5 times and only twice did someone get back to me with advice, if you scroll last 20 pages anyone can see the amount of questions vs amount of answers are liek 95:5
GGG has offically nerfed this build to the ground and anyone saying otherwise please prove it by defeating Uber Elder/A8 Sirius with just 5 exalts gear ( CURRENT MARKET PRICE) not what you bought at league start.
i feel guilty af for investing so much currency in this build but i'm so used to the play style since 2 leagues that after 6 months you still want to try and make it work somehow.
i hope OP and others either find solutions and stop flexing with what they built when the cost associated are 20-50 exalts..
an average POE player makes 10-20 ex's on an average per league.. i know because i'm an admin of the path of exile play pit facebook page and daily the questions /information we come across gives us a basic idea how people are performing this league.. funny part is every summoner there is confused too :D
20-50 exalts? lol your looking at 100 exa just for pride auls and awakened multistrike
So pride aul /multistrike (or any awekened gem at that) is required by the build to function? Thats the very endgame you can get after all else, and you can do all content without those, they are in game only to min/max your build and delete almost brain dead all content, far from being required even to do it. He pointed out very good points, but replies like yours are just out of place
Last edited by Akisailent on Apr 4, 2020, 1:01:52 PM
