[3.25] Scourge Arrow Poison Prolif Pathfinder - Fast, tanky, fun to play

Hey all, I swapped really early from PConc to this with very little currency. Have ended up grinding out yellow maps and crafted chest and helm. At this point what would you recommend I work on next? I am focused on survivability right now just so I can not die in two shots. Would love your feedback on what to prioritize at this point. BowBoiBack is my character.

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gamel91 wrote:

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thedeathbeam wrote:

BTW for anyone interested here is link to Ward PoB: https://pastebin.com/Fpjg90Rz. Fair warning, it is pretty expensive (even though you can do magebane skin of the loyal on budget but then you need impossible escape for max reses even more).

Hi! Can you record a video in this patch with enhanced bosses?

Dont have a video (mostly because im still trying to do them deathless) but did Uber Eater today.



For ubers i would recommend using normal ballista instead of focused, that helped *a lot*.

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Nadernade wrote:

Hey all, I swapped really early from PConc to this with very little currency. Have ended up grinding out yellow maps and crafted chest and helm. At this point what would you recommend I work on next? I am focused on survivability right now just so I can not die in two shots. Would love your feedback on what to prioritize at this point. BowBoiBack is my character.

You were the dude that mentioned me in Discord right? I replied there but here is what i said basically:

[19:09] deathbeam: yea you also moved to purity setup before getting melding there is no reason to do that rly
[19:09] deathbeam: and no elemental flasks are still highest defensive value at basically any point in the game for PF, eva/armour flasks are just worse. hes supposed to be using grace at this point still tho not purity of ice
[19:10] deathbeam: also your life flask is rlybad
[19:10] deathbeam: you dont care about recovering more from it you already recover way too much you want to recover fast and often that is why i go for flagellant prefix on it
[19:11] deathbeam: your suppression also isnt capped
[19:12] deathbeam: you also dont need survival instincts anymore

fixed it sorry

Here is a body armour I landed on using recombinators. Bought a bunch of either Chosen or Temple mod leathers, then recombined w/ ilvl 86 15%phys-taken-as-cold leathers. Use the doubling method to eventually get all 3 prefixes together. I will roll for spell suppression later when I have more currency

Edit: Using recombinators you can use same method to get 3 suffixes on the quiver. After getting the quiver you can craft suffixes cannot be changed then reforge chaos to guarantee the flat chaos damage

Did also Uber Shaper and Uber Exarch with the build today. Uber Shaper was actually giga easy surprisingly. Only missing Uber Maven, Uber Uber Elder and Uber Sirus now.

Is it mageblood build viable or its not worth since its pathfinder ?:P

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ILYILY wrote:

Is it mageblood build viable or its not worth since its pathfinder ?:P

Not worth, do not works with Taste of Hate and also disables Master Surgeon recovery.

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thedeathbeam wrote:

Did also Uber Shaper and Uber Exarch with the build today. Uber Shaper was actually giga easy surprisingly. Only missing Uber Maven, Uber Uber Elder and Uber Sirus now.

Speaking of. I tried the uber bosses.

The damage just isn't there, and I'm trying to scale crit as well. Even if I'd tried to optimize a bit more, it takes multiple minutes to get one of the bosses down, meaning multiple deaths from Exarch's balls phase, potentially multiple memory games, Sirus taking so long that the final phase reaches the upper left where there's no room to stand (tried uber sirus 2x, failed at last phase both times, still need to get used to mechanic of THERE'S A FREAKING STORM IN THE MIDDLE).

However, I think ultimately, the build just...doesn't have the damage of top tier builds anymore.

Even when I tried POB'ing in a perfect 6x t1 bow (elder poison dot multi, hunter chaos pen, flat chaos on prefixes, dot multi, incursion attack speed/flat chaos, t1 increased crit chance), it's still barely better than a Darkscorn.

To say the experience was humbling is putting it lightly.

The build has...good defenses even running grace + ghost dance. Not great, compared to top builds because it's not a CI + aegis build (which also can use melding of the flesh). No champ fortify either (which, again, can also use melding of the flesh and get full suppression if need be, such as RueToo's lightning strike omni build).

The clear is, of course, great with poison prolif.

However, the damage really feels like the give here.

When you can outsustain boss mechanics (which means dropping a damage flask for a life flask) and there's no enrage timer (read: increasing arena degen), that's one thing--but when there are builds that can do 10-20x the damage...that's another.

Ultimately, IMO, I think this build reaches a hard ceiling in the form of single target damage.

I do think with the proper lethal pride, you can carry some of these ideas over to an elemental attack build. Claws can certainly convert all phys hits to elemental (Lethal Pride on various seeds + dawnbreaker). Bows can get close (20% lethal pride, 22% taste of hate, 23% triple incursion + implicit helmet, 15% chest, 10% purity of ice watcher's eye = 90%), but as far as chaos bows go...the damage just hasn't kept pace with omniscience IMO.

I personally think the build is just fine overall because the Uber Boss fights are barely worth doing if you can't insta-phase bosses with shit like a cranked Explosive Trap because it will just take so damn long to eat through the huge boss HP pools anyway. They're neat as a spectacle, but I'd personally take the immense map durability and ability to ignore 100% of map mods that Scourge Arrow allows for over being able to do the unfun hellfight that is Uber Sirus.

Edit: That said it would be cool if they made it so poison had more than like four total clusters on the entire passive tree to scale off of. Clusters are borderline mandatory to get any real punch out of poison nowadays.