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Oldsterman wrote:

For the W&S v2: Do we limit any of the dexterity gems or just add a lot of +dex to our gear? Losing that right side is a lot of dex to make up.

Find Dexterity rings for certain.

Kay... Curious why you went the block route with all the defensive buffs we just got.

Bone barrier gives damage reduction and bone armor.

plague bringer gives damage reduction. DPS and Aoe. Taking this means not having to use aoe gem freeing up a gem slot for more DPS.

Jinxed juju is good damage reduction.

Loosing Vic's and flesh offering is a huge dps loss.

Im at 97 with damage reduction/ dodge clusters and very few deaths. Never got this far on a necro lol.

Oh... And zombies. If your going to run them why not embrace them. Put em in some 6L gloves and watch them kill bosses by them selves. Zombies are also very defensive.

I know you put alot of effort into these builds... :) just curious.

NS

Just ran a quick t15 dark forest map and recorded it. Here is what the horde looks like. You can also see me lock down a blight thread with the skelly totem. No aoe gem on the specs.

https://youtu.be/Z1jz9CJ9jbA

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Nightstone13 wrote:

Im at 97 with damage reduction/ dodge clusters and very few deaths. Never got this far on a necro lol.

Im biting, what is your /played and what content are you doing?

It's a headache trying to figure out where to refund the passives. I'd go to the location thinking I refunded the correct path but then it won't let me refund because it's connected in order so I gotta refund them in order

posted a t15 I just ran. As far as content... anything and everything. Fyi... im disabled and play one handed. VA just put 3 plates in my spine and im a bit bit gimped right now.

NS

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ElCatti wrote:

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Nightstone13 wrote:

Im at 97 with damage reduction/ dodge clusters and very few deaths. Never got this far on a necro lol.

Im biting, what is your /played and what content are you doing?

I want to thank you, Kay for this build :)

Just finished my 1st ever Uber Elder kill! :) Using 1st version of the build. Managed to kill him for less than 2 mins. Went with 5 spectres, 10 zombies, 2 bots and a Carrion Golem and only 1 spectre died during the fight.

It was so fast that I was thinking that the fight is going to another stage, but instead UE just died :D

Thank you! :)

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Oldsterman wrote:

For the W&S v2: Do we limit any of the dexterity gems or just add a lot of +dex to our gear? Losing that right side is a lot of dex to make up.

There are 5 gems that require dex in the standard build:

Skitterbots (68 dex @ 20)
Enhance (73 dex @ 3, 96 dex @ 4)
Desecrate (26 dex @ 1, 98 dex @ 20)
Precision (18 dex & 22 mana @ 1, 100 dex & 195 mana @ 20)
Phase Run (79 dex @ 1, 155 dex @ 20)

Desecrate can actually be left at level 1 because we only care about having corpses, not the chaos dot damage from them (I'll update the build).

The most expensive gem is Phase Run, which at 20/20 gives 49% ms while needing 155 dex. Phase Run 1/20 gives 40% ms for only 79 dex.

Level up Precision as you want. It's to help the Zombies hit stuff so they can apply their linked debuff/buff. It's more a matter of mana reserve.

So really, you need to reach 79 dex. Or you can entirely drop Phase Run, which takes you to 73 dex for Enhance 3. Drop that and you just need 68 for the Skitterbots.

The new tree paths past several +30 dex nodes, so you can take those or get some dex on your gear.

An easy way to get more dex is to use Sorrows on your rings:

Hi,

Can someone please help me with:

- what are the best blight annointment(s) for our amulet?
- what's the point of Mistress of Sacrifice? Just longer effect from the offering skill? Increased Minion duration does nothing to us, right?
- any preferred enchants for boots and gloves?
- why no Carrion Golem? :)
- we can't do "no regen" maps, correct?


edit: added one more item

Ok I am finally done switching over from v1 to v2 wand and shield build. I am at lvl 93, two more levels for bloodless but currently at 7027hp, 1.3k energy shield. Can anyone please double check if everything is correct? I might've accidentally missed some skill or some other important thing. All of the new gems I gotta level up though.

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Nightstone13 wrote:

Kay... Curious why you went the block route with all the defensive buffs we just got.

To really understand the change, you need to look back at the history of Necros post-3.0. Block capping was meta, so defensive shields were in vogue. Or people went full aurabot with Prism Guardian to boost their minions that way.

Mistress was nerfed in 3.2 and Dyadus was gutted in 3.3. Block meta was dead, and Vic's/Aegis got more attention with the shift from TV/Wickerman to SGs. I'm not a sheep, so I focused on Cannibal Fire-Eaters. DPS was so high that you could just kill before you got killed. At that time, this build had no Phase Acro.

Delve league made one-shots more common if you were pushing depth, so I changed the build to include Phase Acro for 50/40 damage avoidance. However, this ended up 'costing' a lot of passive points that previously went into life or jewel sockets.

With 3.8, the change to Mistress allowed the build to re-embrace block and the old idea of Necros being tanky. Block even has an edge over dodge because you can get 'gain life when you block' on shield and Mistress/Bone gives life on block as well. So, you're looking at around gaining 800-1000 life each time you block.

Additionally, there are plenty of mechanic interactions that allow for maintaining minion DPS while fully pathing through life nodes on the tree. The standard build has spectre damage level at an 'acceptable' 750k. If you were doing the block meta 2 years ago, your DPS would be less than half of that and you would be no where near 9k life without a Kaom's.

For people who feel that they are tanky enough, they can drop Mistress and go Plaguebringer and Flesh Offering to hit 1mil+. I'm going to add another section dealing with these kinds of customisations later.


Edit: I'll add something about Zombies in 6L gloves as a build customisation later.