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Why not solar guards? Did they get nerfed or something?

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zenrom wrote:

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Arrensen wrote:

Spectre newbee here:
Almost never played a summoner before and wanted to start this league as SSF for the first time. Even though you say its a cheap league starter, is it also viable for SSF or is there anything that is mandatory and not easy to self farm in the first days ?
Sorry if it already has been answered, but only read the op and the last few pages

It's answered before that in 3.7 it is harder in sff bc you need vis and ull's bone to get 4 spectre.
But now in 3.8 it is nearly default to get 4 spectres so I think SFF with spectres is more viable than ever. Nice job of GGG.

thanks for answering again. finding the correct answers in a 390 site thread isnt hat easy.

Hi Kay, Flesh and Stone will get a minor nerf (no longer reduce damage from spell), do you think it is still worth for using with 25% mana reserved ?

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wjxue1221 wrote:

Why not solar guards? Did they get nerfed or something?

Solar Guards are fine for clearing, though they use a different gem setup.

I've played a ton with both, on SSF, SSF-HC, and on Standard in the last couple of days.

For both clearing and single target, the Slave Drivers are quite fun, and I think quite superior to SG's. When we get the targeted attack gem, I think this is really the "league of the Slave Drivers" if you go that route. As it stands, Slave Drivers just melt bosses.

The SG's have always had a mediocre AI, but good damage and great map clear, but normally for bossing you'd switch over to cannibal fire-eaters. I think optimally IIRC you had to get a red gem in there instead of one blue (fire pen).

Honestly though, with the minion buffs, I'd probably use the spectres as charge generators with those apes and blood magic and go with Queens Escape (if I can get it on SSF HC) and probably a midnight bargain/ Shavs' build on standard SSF.

This is a really nice league for summoners, as we won't be locked into vis mortis, bones, and getting deep enough to get a bound fossil as fast as possible.

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NeverrDie666 wrote:

why dont you use Spiritual Aid?

The only reason to use Spiritual Aid would be if not just your minions did damage but also yourself. With the build the only damage you do is with Armageddon Brand and Blade Vortex and those are only to trigger EE not to do any damage.

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wjxue1221 wrote:

Why not solar guards? Did they get nerfed or something?

Solar Guards are still good, but there are better spectres. Slave Drivers are the king of boss killing. They hit incredibly hard and have an aoe spell. The range is a bit short so they can't clear two screens ahead like Solar Guards can. However, if you prefer something that's strong at map clearing, use Goatman Fire-Raiser. They are stronger than Solar Guards and use fireball & magma orbs.

Goatman T16 clear demo: https://youtu.be/tklWQ3y2yn4

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Isotope_C14 wrote:

I think optimally IIRC you had to get a red gem in there instead of one blue (fire pen).

Actually you want to use the same gem links as for SDs because SG's main attack is a fireball, so it has the aoe tag. You can link Spell Echo + Minion Damage + Ele Focus + Conc Effect + Cont Dest (replace with Deathmark in 3.8).

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40700569 wrote:

Hi Kay, Flesh and Stone will get a minor nerf (no longer reduce damage from spell), do you think it is still worth for using with 25% mana reserved ?

Hm. The blind aura is still useful against anything in melee range. I'll have to re-think this.

If we drop F&S and pick up another reduced reserve passive, I think it's possible to squeeze in an Aspect!

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Arrensen wrote:

Spectre newbee here:
Almost never played a summoner before and wanted to start this league as SSF for the first time. Even though you say its a cheap league starter, is it also viable for SSF or is there anything that is mandatory and not easy to self farm in the first days ?
Sorry if it already has been answered, but only read the op and the last few pages

As answered, 4 spectres is possible is SSF now* The league starter build only has a few recommended uniques and mostly relies on whatever you can pick up now that you can get 4 spectres from the gem and passives. Of course, by getting the recommended uniques, such as Victario's Charity, give a massive boost in damage, but there are way to bridge the power gap, such as using Poacher's Mark/Blasphemy for frenzy charge generation.

I will be addressing this in the build update, but it's on the end of the list of things to do. I hope I can finish it before server start.

You only need a level 21 gem. +2 level from the ascendancy and you can hit a helmet with some chaos to roll +2. You can also craft a +1 helmet with a flask of animation + alt orb + blue helmet.

Noob question but DPS in PoB is a little bit shy of 1 million damage. Is that dps per spectre or total?

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kagias1992 wrote:

Noob question but DPS in PoB is a little bit shy of 1 million damage. Is that dps per spectre or total?

It's for each spectre. It's possible to scale the number much higher, but I aim for 1mil shaper per spectre and then increase survivability.

If I go pure DPS, I can reach around 3.5mil each.