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Not sure how active Kay is at the minute, but it would be hugely appreciated if she, or anybody else experienced, could elaborate on the spectre build for how you push it further. Once you have the listed gear, should we go for the 6/7 link bone helm, a +2 to charges shield and necor aegis, etc?

Thanks
Im abit stuck as to what to upgrade next. Currently have no problem clearing red maps although damage seems way low compared to Kay Pob and watching the videos.
Currently have 1 Cluster setup. Have spent alot of currency already on this character and I kinda feel like It should do better? Feels like im missing something

Also how do I even calculate how much dps I have? 237k / spectre according to PoB so about 1.25 mil since its 5 of them? Sounds WAY low.

https://pastebin.com/fi7hDD2T

My character is visable on my profile if anyone would be so kind <3

Thanks!
Last edited by Angberg on Oct 24, 2020, 4:43:16 AM
Hello, iam new to this guide and iam now lvl 31 and i want to know which spectre is good/best for leveling.

I there an option which support my current minion in speed/damage/clear/survivibility?

Iam thankful for any leveling advice :D
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Rato86 wrote:
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Patcheazy wrote:
Hello, quick question...

I'm using the syndicate operatives and am kinda confused. Prior to making sure i'm at lvl 25 raise spectre they seemed fine with their ranged attacks, obviously melee'ing when they got too close, but convocating them away made them stand at a distance and attack from there.

Now for some reason it seems like some of them specifically charge into melee range every time some enemy is around.. I'm not sure why or if this just seems like it.. But are there maybe other minions from the research syndicate hideout that look exactly like operatives but are in fact not?

Is there some way to actually check what minions I have raised? They all surely look like operatives... any help would be appreciated!



check ur desecrate corpses... will show which spectre u did!


to easy check, remove offering, remove helm (if Diadem) and put the spectre in shortcut bar to can press A for see corpse names.


Oh my god dude, thank you so much! That is so smart!

Apparently I have 2 operatives and 3 assassins which look, as spectre, exactly the same, but as corpse have differently colored capes. God damn!

Thanks a lot!! Firs summoner, did not know that.

Question on the side, If I have one operative at least, doesn't that mean I can simply use desecrate to get back to 5 easily using the desecrate corpses? Or is something here an issue?
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Konstapelpung wrote:
Im abit stuck as to what to upgrade next. Currently have no problem clearing red maps although damage seems way low compared to Kay Pob and watching the videos.
Currently have 1 Cluster setup. Have spent alot of currency already on this character and I kinda feel like It should do better? Feels like im missing something

Also how do I even calculate how much dps I have? 237k / spectre according to PoB so about 1.25 mil since its 5 of them? Sounds WAY low.

https://pastebin.com/fi7hDD2T

My character is visable on my profile if anyone would be so kind <3

Thanks!




You have to take into account shotgunning as well which is annoying to calculate , today I will be recording some very toned down spectre operatives to judge the dps properly as the skill dps is hard to tell if its per dagger or per original volley size split among that , so time to use slower projectiles and a scion i think to have a look
Having some fun experimenting I've seen that the base tight spread is

3 projectiles base


Dying sun only = 2x3 =6 projectiles


Volley gives you 8 projectiles in total considering it adds 4 and you have 3 base im not 100% sure how this works entirely but I assume by the wording that
2 additional projectiles = 2 x 3 = 6
then fires 2 projectiles from the side = 2 more flat

which results in final 8.




GMP gives you 12 projectiles , which would be 4 x 3.

GMP with dying sun gives you 18, 2x3 additional to GMP

Volley with dying sun is 14 projectiles


With 18 projectiles from GMP and dying sun it makes clearing maps fantastic for the most part but mostly open ones, and the shotgun is really hard to line up since it fires in at least a 180 degree arc , sometimes a bit more.


Volley is much easier to shotgun with at a safer distance, gmp potentially has more dps if you want to sit on top of the boss directly but I prefer easier lineups with volley



DPS theory

I was looking at pob and awkened vicious projectile almost doubles the damage of each projectile

My links are



Effective dps of each projectile using vicious is 2.7M but i have no volley or gmp in this. Just dying sun


so with dying sun up

6 x 2.7 * 5(spectres) = 81m potential dps (assuming each dagger is full damage which it seems to be but i will need to test more)

Without vicious but instead volley and dying sun up

14*1.7*5(spectres) = 119m potential dps assuming you can actually hit everything with that kind of a spread. Noting that when you get to a very high projectile count it gets increasingly difficult to aim that spread but thus far this has been the best one for me

sirus can go down in less than 2 seconds with you throw the zomibies and skeletons into the mix as well, now that i have a new pc I'll be recording a better quality video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaF77vvQrr8&t=3s

Is done with vicious projectiles which was underwhelming imo for the build and I was using skeleton archers which seem to be able to shogun with my



I think though they are purely overkill as it doesn't really speed up the time that much considering you kill him after he heals up to 75% in about 4 seconds, as little as 2 seconds with volley.

Overall I love the belt and will be testing more things but thanks for the base to work off kay! It's been fantastic

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Konstapelpung wrote:
Im abit stuck as to what to upgrade next. Currently have no problem clearing red maps although damage seems way low compared to Kay Pob and watching the videos.
Currently have 1 Cluster setup. Have spent alot of currency already on this character and I kinda feel like It should do better? Feels like im missing something

Also how do I even calculate how much dps I have? 237k / spectre according to PoB so about 1.25 mil since its 5 of them? Sounds WAY low.

https://pastebin.com/fi7hDD2T

My character is visable on my profile if anyone would be so kind <3

Thanks!


No one?
Last edited by Angberg on Oct 24, 2020, 3:04:04 PM
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Konstapelpung wrote:
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Konstapelpung wrote:
Im abit stuck as to what to upgrade next. Currently have no problem clearing red maps although damage seems way low compared to Kay Pob and watching the videos.
Currently have 1 Cluster setup. Have spent alot of currency already on this character and I kinda feel like It should do better? Feels like im missing something

Also how do I even calculate how much dps I have? 237k / spectre according to PoB so about 1.25 mil since its 5 of them? Sounds WAY low.

https://pastebin.com/fi7hDD2T

My character is visable on my profile if anyone would be so kind <3

Thanks!


No one?


see my post just above for some idea how to calculate it
Does hatred work at all since we're converting all our minion phys damage to cold. Or does the conversion happen afterward.
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Astraithious wrote:
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Konstapelpung wrote:
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Konstapelpung wrote:
Im abit stuck as to what to upgrade next. Currently have no problem clearing red maps although damage seems way low compared to Kay Pob and watching the videos.
Currently have 1 Cluster setup. Have spent alot of currency already on this character and I kinda feel like It should do better? Feels like im missing something

Also how do I even calculate how much dps I have? 237k / spectre according to PoB so about 1.25 mil since its 5 of them? Sounds WAY low.

https://pastebin.com/fi7hDD2T

My character is visable on my profile if anyone would be so kind <3

Thanks!


No one?


see my post just above for some idea how to calculate it


Wasnt thinking quite that indepth perhaps. More in line with the original guide and what to improve on my character specificaly

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