Do you guys think it'd be better to run AElemental Focus over DMS for mapping instead of the other way around? We wouldn't be able to target things but we'd get the huge damage increase to our RS's doing aoe all over the place.
I don't like Elemental Focus for mapping because it takes out the freeze, which is pretty nice for mapping. You would really need to have very high DPS (and high minion attack speed, which is the hard part imo) so that your RS can take out every pack in one hit.
So once we have the damage to one shot the packs then going AElemental Focus would be better than DMS?
Do you guys think it'd be better to run AElemental Focus over DMS for mapping instead of the other way around? We wouldn't be able to target things but we'd get the huge damage increase to our RS's doing aoe all over the place.
I don't like Elemental Focus for mapping because it takes out the freeze, which is pretty nice for mapping. You would really need to have very high DPS (and high minion attack speed, which is the hard part imo) so that your RS can take out every pack in one hit.
So once we have the damage to one shot the packs then going AElemental Focus would be better than DMS?
If you are speaking about helmet gems, you should use:
MAPS - Spectres + a.GMP + a. Fork/a. Chain (your preferable from those two) + a. Ele dmg with attack
Boss - Spectres + a. Ele Focus + Deathmark + a. Ele dmg with attack
If you are speaking about 6L chest:
Spectres + a.GMP + a. Minion Dmg + a. Vicious Projectiles + Deathmark + a. Ele dmg with attack
For uber bosses like conquerors etc, change a.GMP with Hypotermia (if u have only green socket) or with a. Elemental Focuse (if u use white socket)
Last edited by Zeratul_PL on Aug 4, 2020, 3:26:05 PM
High Budget Bone Helm or Hubris Circlet with Lab Enchant (better for ci):
(estimated crafting budget - 35ex, can sell for 55-80ex depending on rolls and enchants)
1 - Get i86 Shaper Bone (130c) or Hubris Circlet with lab ench (like 8-10ex).
2 - Awakener orb it into Elder + Shaper helm (4ex).
3 - Buy Horror Essence and spam it until +3 minion gems. Average chance to hit is 1/33 so I suggest buying like 70 or at least 50. U can sell the extra ones bulk for a higher price later or use them to make another helm an sell it.
(70 essence ~ 16ex)
4 - Once u've hit +3 gems make sure the mods are removable with harvest. If they're not removable than ull have to take anuls for stuff like rarity/mana/block recovery/attributes. If its just mana u can keep the helm for urself if ur tight on budget. U won't be able to get ES/life onto it (and have trouble selling it) but it will still give u the high budget dps.
5 - Next step is getting minion damage onto it. Craft cannot roll caster mods and block all suffs, then harvest augment influence mod onto it. The chance to hit any minion damage mod is around 18% (6% for t1). If u miss reroll it with harvest remove/add influence mod. So by percent chance this craft to hit any minion damage tier will cost around 10-15ex if ur buyin the crafts. But its much cheaper growing seeds urself.
6 - Now get hypo onto it. Block prefs, bench craft cold res and augment cold onto it (1/3 chance to hit t1 hypo). If u miss -> remove crafted mod, remove cold and redo this step until t1 hypo (cost like 30-100c)
7 - Final step is getting crit damage onto it. Just augment caster (1/3 chance same as hypo to hit t1 crit). And remove/add cater if u miss (cost like 15-50c).
So the total crafting cost on average is around 35ex (this is much lower if ur growing seeds urself an not buying harvest crafts). You can get lucky and finish this helm in like 10-15ex. U can also get very unlucky and not finish it in 30. So i suggest not attempting to craft this without at least 35ex budget or u might lose all your currency and not complete the helm.
If i Buy an Elder influenced bone helmet with enchant, will it matter? i can craft it the same with the awakening orb right?
I don't like Elemental Focus for mapping because it takes out the freeze, which is pretty nice for mapping. You would really need to have very high DPS (and high minion attack speed, which is the hard part imo) so that your RS can take out every pack in one hit.[/quote]
So once we have the damage to one shot the packs then going AElemental Focus would be better than DMS?[/quote]
If you are speaking about helmet gems, you should use:
MAPS - Spectres + a.GMP + a. Fork/a. Chain (your preferable from those two) + a. Ele dmg with attack
Boss - Spectres + a. Ele Focus + Deathmark + a. Ele dmg with attack
If you are speaking about 6L chest:
Spectres + a.GMP + a. Minion Dmg + a. Vicious Projectiles + Deathmark + a. Ele dmg with attack
For uber bosses like conquerors etc, change a.GMP with Hypotermia (if u have only green socket) or with a. Elemental Focuse (if u use white socket)[/quote]
Hmm wouldn’t awakened vicious projectiles support do more damage than either fork or chain , since it is a projectile attack from sentries , maybe Kay can clarify.
Any suggestions on a decent spectre to use for the Spider build until I catch up to my atlas and can get any of the conquerer ones? (only lvl73 atm and got them spawned in red maps on other char)
Have been trying out slave drivers but they keep dying, I need something tankier :D
High Budget Bone Helm or Hubris Circlet with Lab Enchant (better for ci):
(estimated crafting budget - 35ex, can sell for 55-80ex depending on rolls and enchants)
1 - Get i86 Shaper Bone (130c) or Hubris Circlet with lab ench (like 8-10ex).
2 - Awakener orb it into Elder + Shaper helm (4ex).
3 - Buy Horror Essence and spam it until +3 minion gems. Average chance to hit is 1/33 so I suggest buying like 70 or at least 50. U can sell the extra ones bulk for a higher price later or use them to make another helm an sell it.
(70 essence ~ 16ex)
4 - Once u've hit +3 gems make sure the mods are removable with harvest. If they're not removable than ull have to take anuls for stuff like rarity/mana/block recovery/attributes. If its just mana u can keep the helm for urself if ur tight on budget. U won't be able to get ES/life onto it (and have trouble selling it) but it will still give u the high budget dps.
5 - Next step is getting minion damage onto it. Craft cannot roll caster mods and block all suffs, then harvest augment influence mod onto it. The chance to hit any minion damage mod is around 18% (6% for t1). If u miss reroll it with harvest remove/add influence mod. So by percent chance this craft to hit any minion damage tier will cost around 10-15ex if ur buyin the crafts. But its much cheaper growing seeds urself.
6 - Now get hypo onto it. Block prefs, bench craft cold res and augment cold onto it (1/3 chance to hit t1 hypo). If u miss -> remove crafted mod, remove cold and redo this step until t1 hypo (cost like 30-100c)
7 - Final step is getting crit damage onto it. Just augment caster (1/3 chance same as hypo to hit t1 crit). And remove/add cater if u miss (cost like 15-50c).
So the total crafting cost on average is around 35ex (this is much lower if ur growing seeds urself an not buying harvest crafts). You can get lucky and finish this helm in like 10-15ex. U can also get very unlucky and not finish it in 30. So i suggest not attempting to craft this without at least 35ex budget or u might lose all your currency and not complete the helm.
If i Buy an Elder influenced bone helmet with enchant, will it matter? i can craft it the same with the awakening orb right?
Whta do you mean by "harvest augment influence mod onto it. The chance to hit any minion damage mod is around 18% (6% for t1). If u miss reroll it with harvest remove/add influence mod."
Whta do you mean by "harvest augment influence mod onto it. The chance to hit any minion damage mod is around 18% (6% for t1). If u miss reroll it with harvest remove/add influence mod."
what kind of influence?
I think he meant the harvest mod "Remove a random Influence modifier from an item and add a new Influence modifier" which you can randomly gain from planting (blue T4) Primal Blisterfruit
I don't like Elemental Focus for mapping because it takes out the freeze, which is pretty nice for mapping. You would really need to have very high DPS (and high minion attack speed, which is the hard part imo) so that your RS can take out every pack in one hit.
So once we have the damage to one shot the packs then going AElemental Focus would be better than DMS?[/quote]
If you are speaking about helmet gems, you should use:
MAPS - Spectres + a.GMP + a. Fork/a. Chain (your preferable from those two) + a. Ele dmg with attack
Boss - Spectres + a. Ele Focus + Deathmark + a. Ele dmg with attack
If you are speaking about 6L chest:
Spectres + a.GMP + a. Minion Dmg + a. Vicious Projectiles + Deathmark + a. Ele dmg with attack
For uber bosses like conquerors etc, change a.GMP with Hypotermia (if u have only green socket) or with a. Elemental Focuse (if u use white socket)[/quote]
Hmm wouldn’t awakened vicious projectiles support do more damage than either fork or chain , since it is a projectile attack from sentries , maybe Kay can clarify.[/quote]
I've checked based on Ghazy uber geared summoner - a. Ele Focuse provides some more DPS than a. Viciuos Proj.
But when i'm thinking about it - ele focuse prevent from freezing/chilling, while Visious doesn't, so this should work better even on bosses. Therefore, AVP seems a bit weaker in pure numbers, but in overal gameplay, i think it's stronger than AEF.
In Ghazy PoB, AVP gives 36,2mln per spectre, while AEF gives 40,7mln.
Still, those numbers are insane, same as his gear, so after putting his helmet on my character, i receive AVP 9,2 mln per spectre, and with AEF 9,5 mln - so it's not that big, to resign from chilling/freezing enemeis.
Summary:
Awaken Elemental Focuse provides more DPS than A. Vicious Projectiles, but at the cost of elemental ailments. The DPS difference isn't that high, to resign from Ailments, therefor i suggeest AVP over AEF for those with uber minion helmets.
