[3.7] LL RF Scorching Ray Guardian | 19K ES | 52k Armour|1.5 mil dps| Uber Elder & HoGM DEATHLESS

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Astorma wrote:

Loving this build so far am level 66 and most things are a breeze with only 3 auras on

having trouble getting hold of rune boots thats my biggest head ache and cant afford death's door boots yet.

Thanks for an amazing build

From what I see :

- Buy a Memory Vault 150+ES/190+Mana (those stats are good even in end game) for ~5-10c (here);
- Buy a paire of Sin trek 150+ES (good enought for end game) for ~5-10c (here);
- Buy a 28+dex Prism Guardian for ~5c (here)
- Buy a random Astramantis for ~15c (here)
- Buy a recovery belt for ~2-20c (here)
- Buy a random Shavronne for 20c (here)

And try this tree for the moment. And this one for your 5-10 next levels.

Quick question, sin trek vs death's door. I have a pair of death's door with 2% enchant and thinking of getting sin treks instead

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mqta1964 wrote:

Im not able to reach the dps in this thread even with recommended gears. I'm as tho using a different spell something sounds fishy.

You're missing Holy fire node, witchfire brew and some more skills point trees. Check my profile and character or Lagrossesimones passives tree

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zj0ckez wrote:

Quick question, sin trek vs death's door. I have a pair of death's door with 2% enchant and thinking of getting sin treks instead

It's not realy Death Door or Sin Trek. Death Door should be considered as a QoL switch for situation where you are under Vulnerability (map mod or in U.Lab on Font days).

The normal situation for boots is, Sin Trek for a cheap high ES/30 move pair of boots, or some rare boots.

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mqta1964 wrote:

Im not able to reach the dps in this thread even with recommended gears. I'm as tho using a different spell something sounds fishy.

The dps of this build is based on 2 sources of dmg :
- Righteous Fire that provide like 25-30% of the total dps ;
- Scorching Ray that provide like 70-75% of the total dps.

Both skills are working in the same way :
- Fire dmg based ;
- Does not hit and apply a degen.
Both skills are taking benefits from almost exactly the same buffs :
- Elemental Equilibrium because you hit with different and secondary skills : shield charge or Orb of Storm ;
- Elemental Overload that will be proc with Orb of Storm + inc crit strike support gem ;
- and some specific affixe like %burning dmg ; % fire dmg ; % damage over time ; % damage (some affixe works only on one of the 2 skills so I do not suggest to look for them except as a 4th affixes bonus on jewels). This make the tree and the affixes on stuff and jewels works in synergy.

Right now, you are playing a setup of 2 spells. And those 2 spells does not taking benefit from same source of dmg buff :
- It's two differents elements skills dmg. Like this, it's mostly impossible to looks for buffs from some specifics elements dmg buff nodes ;
- One of your skill hit, while the second doesn't and only degen ;
- You may get bonus dmg from Elemental Overload, but you dont stated in it. And even if you do it this should be proced with a skill that hit, so with your Freezing Pulse, but your gem setup does not provide high crit chance. Like this you miss 40% more damage for both of your skills ;
- You can take benefit from Elemental Equilibirum because Freezing Pulse hit, so you will buff monster cold res. It will help with RF, but your dps with Freezing pulse will be dog shit. So this spell makes EE totaly unusable. And EE provide something like a 40% more dps buff.
- You can't get so much dps buff from some affixe because thoses 2 skills are not using the same element, and does not take benefit from the same source of dmg buff affixes on stuffs and jewels.
- So this force you to play a different tree and miss all the synergy effect from tree and stuff.

Because all of this, you end up with an extremly low general dps.
As I told you tiwce, you are playing a different build. I don't know if it's possible to make it works in this way. But I'm sure that here, we cannot provide help unless you try to play the build and use the proper gems setup and tree. It's like trying to look in 2 differents direction at the same time.

I'm realy sorry, but right now I can only suggest you to drop Freezing Pulse in order to play Scorching Ray, and to follow the tree and stuff recommandations, or to look for an other topic that use Freezing Pulse.
Otherwise I don't think you will find peoples competent to help you with your problem (I don't know for others, but personnaly I'm not).

Hope this helped you to understand why all you did does not works in terme of dps.

Best regards.

/Edit :

I will give a more detailed explaination with stat comparaison from PoB.
I will do a quick comparaison between 3 different builds, zzang's uber elder pob, my std rf, and your current character.

Here is the PoB used for each setup :
Your char : https://pastebin.com/ARhpc3qu
zzang : https://pastebin.com/6SJaZ8L8
My std RF : https://pastebin.com/6cXmFkrs

First this is the options checkmarked in PoB "Config" sheet (it's the normal buff you should have against boss) :


Here is the different dps for each characters :


Now just take a look of the detailed buff of each skill for each build :

I wonder what are pros/cons for having 6L RF + 4L SR vs 6L SR + 4L RF
Also I wanna try pure RF build but I'm having doubts if its viable at all.

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mkdnpna wrote:

I wonder what are pros/cons for having 6L RF + 4L SR vs 6L SR + 4L RF
Also I wanna try pure RF build but I'm having doubts if its viable at all.

From one of my previous answer to this question :

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LAGROSSESIMONE wrote:

Why this 6L switch ?

If you have looked the RF ladderboard in Delve, most of them are playing a 6L VRF setup. With this, 6L VRF became in a way a sorte of "meta" setup for Guardian LL RF build.
It is certainly a realy efficient setup for Delve. It brings a lot of AOE dmg, and increase the quality of the gameplay in Delve and the clear speed instances. So, it's more or less understandable to see this setup becoming meta for Delve.

For your question about pure RF build, it will be a much more clear speed oriented build. RF is good, but not the best skill for single target dps. So boss may be long to kill.

Imo, in order to make it works, you only need to support it with multiple curse.

In 2.6 I started to play RF with a pure RF setup. Things have changed since 2.6, but the old Yalani's RF guide topic may help you to get some ideas.

Imo, if I had to go for a pure RF build, I would try to mix three things :
- 2-3 curse in the build that can came from 3 differents sources. Curse on hit gem setup, curse on hit corruption on gloves, and Witchfire brew. I will not consider a blasphemy possibility while it will be extremly hard, almost impossible to add one because of mana reservation.
- Try to play with Shavronne Revelation. So this will imply having a 0 mana cost on Shield Charge and Orb of Storm. So this imply having a dual Clarity Watcher's Eye (mana conversion in ES, and the -13 mana cost) and keeping OoS lvl 1.

Hi, i've been following the guide since last league.

I'm still trying to buy the Watcher's Eyes jewel. But other than that i am switching from original skill tree to LAGROSSESIMONE's one.

I have 7948 energy shield and 2754 unreserved mana. I want to reach to the numbers of the build.

Can somenoe help me to improve my character?

Edit: I am getting error to share the pastebin.

If you can see my profile my character name is Justixa.

Thanks in advance.

Sorry for the second post, i just figured out how to link it.

I'm still trying to buy the Watcher's Eyes jewel. But other than that i am switching from original skill tree to LAGROSSESIMONE's one.

I have 7948 energy shield and 2754 unreserved mana. I want to reach to the numbers of the build.

Can somenoe help me to improve my character?

Edit: I am getting error to share the pastebin.

Hi guys, i want to try this build for next expansion...do you think it will be strong anough for all content ? any nerfs coming or new skill gems that will outdamage this build ? thanks !

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LAGROSSESIMONE wrote:

It's not realy Death Door or Sin Trek. Death Door should be considered as a QoL switch for situation where you are under Vulnerability (map mod or in U.Lab on Font days).

The normal situation for boots is, Sin Trek for a cheap high ES/30 move pair of boots, or some rare boots.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't there be many other possible sources of bleeding at any one time?

I'm not certain how you can prevent bleeding without a pair of Death's Door. I do see you have a Watcher's Eye with No Vulnerability with Determination.