[3.1] The Blinding Blizzard - Whispering Ice Berserker - Viable for Most Everything
" I haven't done the math yet. But the old Elementalist with 8k tooltip was killing bosses faster than the Berserker of the same era with 10k tooltip. Resist penetration is no joke (IIRC I showed 83% fire pen in one of the videos circa 2.6, and that was without counting the debuff from SR). Going to play around with the build in the next few days and check out different options/setups. Hopefully the new Ascendancies will get added to PoB soon. " Paragon of Calamity Pendulum of Destruction Mastermind of Discord Liege of the Primordial " No, probably not. For now I assume that we'll have to use Life Leech, like in the old version. Last edited by Kelvynn on Feb 26, 2018, 11:55:44 AM
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" Hey man, you seem to be very excited about the new Elementalist being top pick for the build, howver i dont know if i agree with that hype. Am i crazy that i still see Chieftain to be better? Also we havent seen Inquisitor and Guardian yet. I mean, is 0,5% leech and some damage here and there enough to be so hyped about? Or do u think the immunity to reflect is so nice? Also heralds? They are not in a good place atm i dont see any good in them.. Please enlighten me i may be ignorant, i really want to share your hype if its justified :D Last edited by nel0angel0 on Feb 26, 2018, 12:52:10 PM
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I don't see the elementalist being the best option. The rework is very meh, you don't get many bonus compared to the previous elementalist (the elemental leech, the immune reflect, and that's it. It's not bad, but it's meh compared to what the other ascendancies got).
The trickster, however, looks fucking broken for a WI build. -The chaos node is granting a shit ton of damage. Put Cold to fire, get a pyre, get 90% conversion (too bad for the 10% left), and you will get an average of 85,5% MORE damage just due to the node (don't pick avatar of fire for obvious reason). It destroys anything the elementalist can offer in the dps department. Adds an atziri promise for even higher added chaos and the leech. -On the defensive department, you can use a VERY VERY strong gimmick. Get your channeled spell (probably wither, now) lvl 1. Use an elreon ring. Its manacost is now 0. Get eldritch battery. Your energy shield doesn't decrease anymore, forever. So you have +20% more chance to evade attacks. It's OP, especially since it apply AFTER the blind. It means you need 58% base evasion chance to actually jump to 95% evasion chance in practice. It's low. You need only 22K evasion, and you can run grace since you no longer need mana. You also get free chance to dodge and spell dodge (and can get acrobatics and phase acrobatics if you feel like it). You should consider it, at least. Last edited by Keyen on Feb 26, 2018, 1:15:43 PM
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To be honest... i dont see a big difference to the current elementalist.
0,5% leech are okay... we still use leech gem i dont like the new mastermind with herald of ash unless they reworked it. and liege of primeordial was nerfed in comparison to the old one. the new ele is a bit strange :-( i would even say the current/old ele is better than the new one. anyway it will be playable with the new one... you can alrdy play with the current one and the new one will be bit less effective than the current. Last edited by Yuzlol on Feb 26, 2018, 1:33:34 PM
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" You didn't even mentioned the most broken thing that make your helmet and chest add additional evasion and ES. Will not say about this build exactly, but new trickster wearing shield and new "fox's fortune" will probably be goddamn immortal monster. P.S. Also don't get it, why all so hyped about elementalist. Leech not good enough, so we will use gem nonetheless. Immunity to reflect is sweet, but problem also can be solved by not running reflect maps. And... pretty much it. It's much better now for golemancers, but i don't think that it's best variant for whispering ice. But again, i'm not really master of this build, so can be wrong. Humbly waiting for someone to explain to me what's so good in revamped elementalist that everyone losing their mind? Even chieftain looks kinda way better. Last edited by Med1umentor on Feb 26, 2018, 1:57:31 PM
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" It's actually very shitty and a huge noob trap. You are locked into specific piece of gears (evasion chest, ES helmet) if you want to benefit from the bonus, which is not huge anyway (at best 400 ES from the chest, 1200 eva from the helmet, which is ok, but not that great and doesn't deserve to be focused around). However, you will still pick the node because the 8% damage reduction is huge and the immune stun too (since you will not be hit often anyway). It combo well with kintsugi. | |
" Yes, really nice. Harness the void looks insane especially in Standard where there's a legacy Pyre. |
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" WI Trickster looks ugly and broken. I don't even know what to pick in the Uber Lab there. The trick with EB would mean going back to Life based, plus Evasion, plus sacrificing both rings worth of Int (finding a decent Elreon's ring with Int won't be easy). So the whole reason to try it would be the Chaos gain (btw, my math says it's 60% MORE on average, not 85.5%). Berserker had 40% MORE, this is similar but better. However, it doesn't have any leech, so Life Leech will be used at the price of 1 gem. Plus about 10% LESS because we can't use AoF. Most of your damage will be Chaos, so Fire Pen will be replaced with something like CD for more raw damage, but there is no chaos penetration. But I don't see it doing higher damage than Berserker, because Berserker had 40% MORE damage * 1 extra gem (let's say that gem was EF, then Berserker had 1.40 * 1.50 = 2.1 = 110% MORE damage). And neither of them has anything for spell/elemental damage. And it looks simply broken. If GGG doesn't nerf that Chaos conversion and releases 3.2 this way, there will be far more OP builds using it than WI. I think it will get 'adjusted' before the release. Last edited by Kelvynn on Feb 26, 2018, 2:20:35 PM
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Berserker WI is dead, fyi. Leech doesn't work, and everything else is attack only. Berserker ascendancies, you have the 40% more damage, and then, you have nothing usable at all. I don't think it's "broken as fuck".
Also, 100% cold damage -> 45% chaos damage 90% fire damage -> 40,5% chaos damage. You are doing 10% cold damage, 90% fire damage and 85,5% chaos damage (so it's 85,5% more damage compared to the 100% base damage). And you are not losing the 10% cold damage, so there is no 10% less damage from the incomplete conversion. Ascendancies taken: -Harness the void -Ghost dance -Escape Artist -Weave the arcane for the movement skill, or if you keep some mana, either patient reaper (for the increased leech) or swift killer (for the faster mapping). Last edited by Keyen on Feb 26, 2018, 2:35:11 PM
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" Actually, I'm considering pure cold damage for the new Elementalist. Herald of Ice should be pretty useful, especially for clearing with SC instead of EF. Permanent 25% cold pen, CD instead of CtF, extra damage from HoI, extra socket instead of AoF, extra damage with Atziri's Promise, extra penetration with Frost Bomb - all that should finally outweigh the fire conversion. The new Liege doesn't reward the conversion, neither does the new Mastermind. Reflected damage (one of the reasons to use fire with AA) doesn't exist for this class anymore. I'm really hoping to see a channelled cold skill soon. But Wither as the trigger skill isn't bad at all. " Berserker was pronounced dead 5 pages ago, when the word 'Attack' was added to Pain Reaver. That's why we are looking for a new class in the first place. Last edited by Kelvynn on Feb 26, 2018, 2:40:00 PM
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