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I kill shaper all day every day with this build on BSC, I do this on stream when I'm not mapping on my CI Meatballer, feel free to click the twitch logo near my name and watch me stream this when I am live(I stream every day).
I have had a few people come from this thread to my stream and they are all impressed with the build, my bow is 388 pdps, i started farming Shaper with 8.2k ES and level 89. I am happy to help with your tree/do gear checks to the best of my knowledge regarding this build but if you follow the guide as I have you will not be disappointed.
I'll have to check out your setup, curious if you've changed anything from the original builds because apparently there's a vocal few who seems this is an impossible task.
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It seems you have your bow toon disassembled sadly. You should highlight some runs shaper/t15+/guardians if you have the time and I'll add them into the main post under video section. Your gear as well would be great, so it can give temp league players an idea what to look for and proof this is indeed temp league viable without an insane budget. Thanks!
My gear has evolved a little from where it started (as it would killing shaper as much as I have. I will look into recording some runs and showing my gear etc) but I switch between my meatballer and signalshot character and they share most of the same gear and my tree remains the same.
It annoys me coming to this thread and seeing people put down this build as that turned me away from the build last season. If anybody who has seen my stream views this post I would appreciate if you comment and say what you think about the runs you have seen, although don't comment on how bad I am at the game haha.
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Posted bylolhereticon Jan 5, 2017, 9:35:20 PM
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I kill shaper all day every day with this build on BSC, I do this on stream when I'm not mapping on my CI Meatballer, feel free to click the twitch logo near my name and watch me stream this when I am live(I stream every day).
I have had a few people come from this thread to my stream and they are all impressed with the build, my bow is 388 pdps, i started farming Shaper with 8.2k ES and level 89. I am happy to help with your tree/do gear checks to the best of my knowledge regarding this build but if you follow the guide as I have you will not be disappointed.
I'll have to check out your setup, curious if you've changed anything from the original builds because apparently there's a vocal few who seems this is an impossible task.
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It seems you have your bow toon disassembled sadly. You should highlight some runs shaper/t15+/guardians if you have the time and I'll add them into the main post under video section. Your gear as well would be great, so it can give temp league players an idea what to look for and proof this is indeed temp league viable without an insane budget. Thanks!
My gear has evolved a little from where it started (as it would killing shaper as much as I have. I will look into recording some runs and showing my gear etc) but I switch between my meatballer and signalshot character and they share most of the same gear and my tree remains the same.
It annoys me coming to this thread and seeing people put down this build as that turned me away from the build last season. If anybody who has seen my stream views this post I would appreciate if you comment and say what you think about the runs you have seen, although don't comment on how bad I am at the game haha.
Would relly appreciate any vod/clips you have and gear used. Whenever time permits obviously.
I'll gladly direct link to your twitch and the vods etc. It's the least I can do, would be a great help as I have little time to play lately let alone stream/record due to IRL.
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Posted bySolishawon Jan 5, 2017, 9:56:09 PM
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Would relly appreciate any vod/clips you have and gear used. Whenever time permits obviously.
I'll gladly direct link to your twitch and the vods etc. It's the least I can do, would be a great help as I have little time to play lately let alone stream/record due to IRL.
Im just about to go to sleep but ive put my bow gear back on the character 'herekkertic' all jewels and tree are the same as what i play with every day... ive upgraded belt/chest/rings/helm since ive started farming shaper..
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Posted bylolhereticon Jan 5, 2017, 10:01:08 PM
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Would relly appreciate any vod/clips you have and gear used. Whenever time permits obviously.
I'll gladly direct link to your twitch and the vods etc. It's the least I can do, would be a great help as I have little time to play lately let alone stream/record due to IRL.
Im just about to go to sleep but ive put my bow gear back on the character 'herekkertic' all jewels and tree are the same as what i play with every day... ive upgraded belt/chest/rings/helm since ive started farming shaper..
i washed my eyes with your setups and tree / jewel choices. long time i haven't seen someone who knows what he is doing.
that's the problem with this build, and thats why im here to answer peoples questions. this build is tricky and harsh, if you miss on detail of the build, this build fails very hard, but if you dont it starts shining.
its hard to guess for many people how decoy totem can save lives.
btw, on my gear slow projectiles for barrage gives better dps than added fire, try that out guys, maybe on your gear it's better too.
"You have great power. You're right to be proud. It's unfortunate you have to die now, but I will honor you with 45% of my strength." Last edited by Rupenus on Jan 5, 2017, 10:09:55 PM
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Posted byRupenuson Jan 5, 2017, 10:05:26 PM
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Would relly appreciate any vod/clips you have and gear used. Whenever time permits obviously.
I'll gladly direct link to your twitch and the vods etc. It's the least I can do, would be a great help as I have little time to play lately let alone stream/record due to IRL.
Im just about to go to sleep but ive put my bow gear back on the character 'herekkertic' all jewels and tree are the same as what i play with every day... ive upgraded belt/chest/rings/helm since ive started farming shaper..
i washed my eyes with your setups and tree / jewel choices. long time i haven't seen someone who knows what he is doing.
that's the problem with this build, and thats why im here to answer peoples questions. this build is tricky and harsh, if you miss on detail of the build, this build fails very hard, but if you dont it starts shining.
its hard to guess for many people how decoy totem can save lives.
btw, on my gear slow projectiles for barrage gives better dps than added fire, try that out guys, maybe on your gear it's better too.
wouldn't slower projectile support actually slow down the barrage arrow speed thus reducing the leech possability since its like 50% or something reduced projectile speed at lvl 20 - something like that all for maybe 10 - 11k paper dps. At least that's why I never used it since the faster my barrage attacks in general the faster I can leech back. I know the damage plays a factor yet I have always liked more speed for skills like barrage and even TS where for LA it sometimes can cause issues.
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Posted byNewbieDOTcomon Jan 5, 2017, 10:53:09 PM
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Would relly appreciate any vod/clips you have and gear used. Whenever time permits obviously.
I'll gladly direct link to your twitch and the vods etc. It's the least I can do, would be a great help as I have little time to play lately let alone stream/record due to IRL.
Im just about to go to sleep but ive put my bow gear back on the character 'herekkertic' all jewels and tree are the same as what i play with every day... ive upgraded belt/chest/rings/helm since ive started farming shaper..
Comparing our gear differences you have a bit more int on your gear(20) and druidic ritual. Identical-ish trees (you picked up extra power charge vs my ES/Res).
The biggest difference is the Taste of Hate, which would be 20% less phys taken for stun calculations which is huge. Can you talk toward your experiences with what stuns you with/without TOH up in Shaper fight?
@prfct1on nice to see you back in the thread, I've been waiting for you to stream to try to get some advice. Could you check out my post top of page 92? My profile is public and I posted screens and my guess at why I'm having so much trouble at Shaper/Mino/Hydra.
To all the other folks in here, if you've never played a attack based Crit ES/LL character before it's not supposed to be easy or "obvious". Every build guide writer makes it look like that but 90% of the time they've found the magic mixture between stun/es pool/accuracy/crit chance/multi/mobility/aura reservation that works with their gear. If you want to make it work at the highest levels you have to take time to understand the game's mechanics, what's important, and what you're missing based on non-legacy/non-mirrored gear. Some of the people here are trying the build without stun immunity, no VP, no generic leech nodes, and it's painful because these are BASICS of building an es attack build.
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Posted byjaiinuson Jan 6, 2017, 4:39:09 AM
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Can help me a bit with the distribution of points in each level, in the cheap version
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Posted bycocasdaon Jan 6, 2017, 5:10:48 AM
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Comparing our gear differences you have a bit more int on your gear(20) and druidic ritual. Identical-ish trees (you picked up extra power charge vs my ES/Res).
The biggest difference is the Taste of Hate, which would be 20% less phys taken for stun calculations which is huge. Can you talk toward your experiences with what stuns you with/without TOH up in Shaper fight?
@prfct1on nice to see you back in the thread, I've been waiting for you to stream to try to get some advice. Could you check out my post top of page 92? My profile is public and I posted screens and my guess at why I'm having so much trouble at Shaper/Mino/Hydra.
To all the other folks in here, if you've never played a attack based Crit ES/LL character before it's not supposed to be easy or "obvious". Every build guide writer makes it look like that but 90% of the time they've found the magic mixture between stun/es pool/accuracy/crit chance/multi/mobility/aura reservation that works with their gear. If you want to make it work at the highest levels you have to take time to understand the game's mechanics, what's important, and what you're missing based on non-legacy/non-mirrored gear. Some of the people here are trying the build without stun immunity, no VP, no generic leech nodes, and it's painful because these are BASICS of building an es attack build.
Hi there, before I had taste of hate I used overflowing chalice in its place vs shaper and didnt have issues with stuns, what is your total mana as that will play a part there.
I did however have problem with stuns in the smoke phase of chimera. I tried a bunch of things there, rumis worked well but taste of hate worked best and also gave me extra damaged so i settled for that as the potion of choice in that slot and because i generally kill shaper in 2 beams I find i dont need the overflowing chalice there anymore.
regarding your issues with hydra, youll need to be more specific as to what issues you are having.. without damage mods i just take every one of his abilities and can kill him on his second phase most of the time.
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Posted bylolhereticon Jan 6, 2017, 6:01:08 AM
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I am streaming now for those who want to watch shaper/guardians, I will be saving the vod and trying to figure out how to put them here aswell... but come see for yourself and ask questions.
OK here are some highlights of the first guardians/shaper kills ive done tonight. Ill keep doing guardians etc and will highlight a cleaner shaper kill :)
https://www.twitch.tv/heretizzle/v/112501268 quick run down of my gear
https://www.twitch.tv/heretizzle/v/112502439 phoenix kill
https://www.twitch.tv/heretizzle/v/112502177 mino kill
https://www.twitch.tv/heretizzle/v/112501660 hydra kill
https://www.twitch.tv/heretizzle/v/112501445 chimera kill
https://www.twitch.tv/heretizzle/v/112501926 messy shaper kill
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Posted bylolhereticon Jan 6, 2017, 6:27:22 AM
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For those of you considering the build in BSC with a 80-150ex budget you can use my gear/experience for a marker.
Can't kill Shaper (failed 4 sets never making it to phase 3), struggle to do Hydra/Minotaur AT ALL, Chimera is deathless usually, Phoenix is easy. Haven't bothered with Uber Atziri or Izaro (both are probably easy). Everything under that is easy (as it should be with gear half as good as what I have to be honest).
In the Shaper fight I can't burn him down quickly. Even carefully picking my timing for the first piano of flasks and getting full value I need probably 3 full beams of DPS time. Balls (the triple ones) stun me 100% of the time, and the second one generally kills me (maybe the third one kills me). The Adds phase is brutal if full flasks aren't up, usually end up with 3-6 left when he starts attacking and again they will stun me 100% of the time usually resulting in death if from shaper's attacks.
Against minotaur/Hydra stun is again the problem, the DPS is there to burn them down until you get stunned by boulders falling or tagged by a cold orb.
I think problem MAY be ALLEVIATED (but not solved) by taking Druidic Ritual, but when comparing to the build's video guide I can see Blasting has 1.2k mana (333 INT) total compared to my current at 219 INT/843 mana. Not having Legacy Vinktar's (5 passive point journey to get generic Mana/Life leech), not having as 3x stun recovery from hybrid rolls on ES gear, and the lack of the +90 max mana between his two rings (which is equal to +450 life for stun calculations) means I'll likely still get stunned by T16 bosses and Shaper.
I'd love to get some input from others that are doing the build. I'm sure I can kill Shaper with my gear once I get better at the mechanics and maybe with a Kiara's flask.
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Tree: https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAIDAAHRBx4IiQ5IDlwQexEvEVARgRGWFHUV1xeWGYoajxslHU8gbiF2Iuoi9CPTJP0nqSoLKjgrCiy_LR8wfDH6Nbk3TDfUOdRFfklRSbFLrkyzTipQMFFHVmNW-luvXWhd8l9qY6dq-mwLbRltbG8ncFJ293fXfXV_K3-Af8aGrobOidOMNo9gj_qTJ5UFlS6XBppqmvGet6CfoSKhL6JApMKnK6fUr-u1SLvjvjq-isEzwzrEosedyqnQH9DQ037Xz9lb2xrdRudU53To1ukC6ZjrY-wY7T_uDu9674jv6_DV8W30-Pba-Tf7Cf66_sj_EP_e?accountName=jaiinus&characterName=JaiiHopesThisWorks
Defense Page (aura's + golem)
Barrage (aura's + golem)
Lightning Arrow (aura's + golem, using Chain/GMP/PPAD)
I only did hydra+mino+phoenix so far, I basically dropped master alchemist for surgeon to see if I could sustain flasks (it wasn't quite enough, I couldn't check how many charges I was gaining but I'm still missing a flask belt and some extra projectiles). But I forgot to swap a staunching flask for grounding and only realized it the next day. I only died once on minotaur, and phoenix kept one-shotting me, no wonder with 7.7k hp permanently shocked. Hydra was fine, its a drawn out fight where you're not taking much damage. I'm currently saving up for Skyforth so I won't be attempting those again for a few days, but its not looking too bad.
What were your issues on Shaper? He doesn't hit too hard in melee, and his abilities shouldn't be too difficult to avoid considering the build is fairly mobile. The only issue I see is being constantly chilled as there's no room for a heat flask.
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