[2.6] SignalShot™ CI Full Ele Conversion TS/Barrage / Shaper & Uber Deathless / with video!

in the screenshot he showed at level 95 he had 322 dex

322 x 2 = 644 acc.

Brood twine has 154 acc
gloves has 22 acc

base accuracy = level x2 -2
95x2 -2 = 188 acc

total base acc:
644 + 188 + 154 + 22 = 1008

the build with proposed skill tree in OP has 40% increase accuracy, 30% from golem, a total of 70%. definitely lackluster.

the build in its final form (his public character) has 116% increased accuracy with golem counted.
1008 x 2.16 = 2177 accuracy

As far as I can tell, 2177 accuracy will be barely good enough for endgame. However if you use just 1 accuracy gear, for example 1 helm or ring with 300+ accuracy then that will be enough to solve about any problem with hit chance.

I'm just pointing out that maybe the skill tree section and gear section should be updated to include accuracy information, because it can cause confusion for players that don't have experience with such matters.

If possible, you want about 3000 accuracy total. I get to 3620 in my build including Golem, which mostly dies instantly to bosses. But that leaves me with enough (3040) to fall back on.

I absolutely love how janus completely ignores my post discrediting his points in regard to currency investment. Referring to the "need mirrored gear/legacy to make viable" post. Literally not a word. Ouch Janus.

Now he/she claiming "alternate facts" and trying to mirror service a ring for this build without accuracy. Which he/she is claiming is an important stat for this build in his/her very own posts. Nice! "Oh it gives me 31k more dps!" WOW obvious agenda is obvious there.

Janus, you can spin the build investment to fit your narrative. Early temp league, cost is low, price it in standard (which you're doing to inflate costs) and it seems high. Is it a cheap build? No, by no means. Do you need these inflated ex totals to kill shaper and down any content in the game? Absolutely not.

There's is a very famous quote "Stats can be manipulated to fit any narrative". This is exactly what Janus is attempting to do.

I've linked enough proof to discredit this already, which he/she hasn't even commented on, yet writes a blog post using inflated standard pricing/items to fit his/her narrative.

I get nothing from people playing this build. I make zero money, exalts, kickbacks. Nothing. I actively DISSUADE newer players from trying this on my very own stream.

Time and time again, and go OUT of my way to mention the initial cost. Try me and Ill go through and clip at-least 15 separate occasions of this within the past month alone.

"Hey I have 200c would this build work?" "Hey can i do this as a league starter" etc. Always say no, and actively explain how this isn't cheap/newer player friendly. How dare you say I'm "luring people in to play a shit char" and how "I'm misleading them". This is incredibly out of line.

I'm beginning to see that you might be allowing your vitriol towards a few guildmates of mine bleed into your dislike of this build. You can deny it all you want, but it's quite ironic you have been actively trying to discredit this build for months (but eagerly posting mirror service ads). A build that has two people you openly dislike involved in it. Could there be a slight personal bias involved at this point? Hm? Food for thought.

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habeo wrote:

in the screenshot he showed at level 95 he had 322 dex

322 x 2 = 644 acc.

Brood twine has 154 acc
gloves has 22 acc

base accuracy = level x2 -2
95x2 -2 = 188 acc

total base acc:
644 + 188 + 154 + 22 = 1008

the build with proposed skill tree in OP has 40% increase accuracy, 30% from golem, a total of 70%. definitely lackluster.

the build in its final form (his public character) has 116% increased accuracy with golem counted.
1008 x 2.16 = 2177 accuracy

As far as I can tell, 2177 accuracy will be barely good enough for endgame. However if you use just 1 accuracy gear, for example 1 helm or ring with 300+ accuracy then that will be enough to solve about any problem with hit chance.

I'm just pointing out that maybe the skill tree section and gear section should be updated to include accuracy information, because it can cause confusion for players that don't have experience with such matters.

My public tree should not be viewed as anything but my own personal variant and nothing more. The ones provided within the guide is what should be used.

I regularly change my own personal tree to test and minmax content I might be running that specific day. HoGM vs something like.. general mapping for example.

I agree with you in-regard with mentioning accuracy on gear/jewels and potentially tree (passive point strapped, trying to get depth perception is tough to recommend) and I'll update that when time permits.

Cheers!

Ok OP, about mirroring my ring: Did I mention a fee? No. I mentioned my ring twice on 150+ pages. Are you ok with that or do I need your permission? Before talking a lot of utter bullshit about my intention or whatever you think, how about you explain why your 'example gear' is absolutely not fitting to the build and makes people think you can play this with a budget? How about you look at the numbers? I did not manipulate ANYTHING of these, anyone can recreate these and you are a jerk for saying they are manipulated to a certain narrative. CHECK THE DAMN NUMBERS.

About what I think about your guild: A short look at the link in my signature shows why I think your guild officer is a scamming PoS, and I dont want to deal with people who use similar methods, abuse others or scam, cheat or just are friends with such a person.

The way how you presented this 'build guide' also speaks for itself, same as the many posts of people who have no idea how to reach a reasonable DPS.

Btw: Also I said about the build: "It can be very powerful with good gear but a total waste without." I even PLAY this build. I also said it's fun. So I guess you are either too narrow minded or stupid to understand my point.

I'm out of this now.

Take care

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Janus171 wrote:

Ok OP, about mirroring my ring: Did I mention a fee? Before talking a lot of utter bullshit about my intention or whatever you think, how about you explain why your 'example gear' is absolutely not fitting to the build and makes people think you can play this with a budget? How about you look at the numbers? I did not manipulate ANYTHING of these, anyone can recreate these and you are a jerk for saying it looks like I did.

About what I think about your guild: A short look at the link in my signature shows why I think your guild officer is a scamming PoS, and I dont want to deal with people who use similar methods, abuse others or scam, cheat or just are friends with such a person.

The way how you presented this 'build guide' also speaks for itself, same as the many posts of people who have no idea how to reach a reasonable DPS.

Btw: Also I said about the build: "It can be very powerful with good gear but a total waste without." I even PLAY this build. I also said it's fun. So I guess you are either too narrow minded or stupid to understand my point.

I'm out of this now.

Take care

So still no answer to this and my reply with breach shaper 3 min kills and guardian runs.

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Janus171 wrote:

Oh... I thought the gear linked as example gear on page 1 is fine. But that doesn't have any accuracy on it... weird.

Wait....

Let me think...

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OH MY GOD please don't tell us you cheated on us with mirrored gear runs to show off!!! And lead all those averagely rich people think they can play this 'build' without investing 500+ ex first... I can't believe this...

Your intentions are obvious in linking a mirror service ad, where to go and provide thread ID and mentioning how it works well this build. You're looking for sales. If you're trying to say otherwise, then what were your intentions?

You now have confirmed my suspicions of bias in-regards to even being remotely associated with rayman, you'll have a negative impression of them. This easily can explain your personal crusade and bias for this build since it's inception due to the the OP being in the same guild. Using another guildmate's mirrorable bow as well.

You mention it numerous times how "this is a broodtwine showcase" while people are downing shaper with 280 dps bows and ROTC's in near identical times in Breach. Do I need to link the proof yet again?

It all now makes sense. The exalt totals inflated for standard to fit your narrative. All of it.


Thank you for confirming my initial thoughts. Also thank for referring to me as "stupid" and talking "utter bullshit". Well spoken and eloquently stated with class.

I'll end with a very apt quote

"A person's true colors will always show within time. You may be fooled for the moment, but be patient and see what happens".


Take care friend.

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Blasting_Cap wrote:

So still no answer to this and my reply with breach shaper 3 min kills and guardian runs.

I have never said the build cannot do Shaper or Guardians. I guess the numbers I posted on page 154 pretty much speak for themselves, and are accompanied by many people posting here 'Hey how do you get so much DPS/ES/Hitchance etc'.

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Blasting_Cap wrote:

Your intentions are obvious in linking a mirror service ad, where to go and provide thread ID and mentioning how it works well this build. You're looking for sales. If you're trying to say otherwise, then what were your intentions?

First off, the ring is probably the best ring you can get for the build. Second, two mentionings on 156 pages doesnt exactly count as spam. Third, if I was so desperate for mirroring I would have made a huge thread with promo. My thread has like 5 posts and bumps in 3 months.

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Blasting_Cap wrote:

You now have confirmed my suspicions of bias in-regards to even being remotely associated with rayman, you'll have a negative impression of them. This easily can explain your personal crusade and bias for this build since it's inception due to the the OP being in the same guild. Using another guildmate's mirrorable bow as well.

First off, there is no personal crusade, I simply think the guy is disgusting. If you disagree about the personal qualities about this individual, I see no basis for a further discussion anyways. In case you are unsure what I mean, check my signature. Concerning your acquaintance, we have a saying in German: "If you deal with shit don't wonder if you stink". It's out of my imagination how a decent player and streamer can see no problem in being in a guild with someone like that. It makes you look shady, too. If you dont agree, thats your opinion, all good.

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Blasting_Cap wrote:

You mention it numerous times how "this is a broodtwine showcase" while people are downing shaper with 280 dps bows and ROTC's in near identical times in Breach. Do I need to link the proof yet again?

As I said above, I dont disagree the build can do Shaper. However you're guide is misleading people into thinking they can run this build with shit gear, there are many posts by peopel who are wondering why their char totally sucks. That's simply not fair towards those players. And there is no way you can tell me a build with 1 million DPS does Shaper as fast as one with 4 million DPS, for example. It's possible to do it but definitely not in the same time.

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Blasting_Cap wrote:

It all now makes sense. The exalt totals inflated for standard to fit your narrative. All of it.

Many people are playing this build in Standard, and I said I am talking about Standard values in the gear costs. You also linked legacy stuff in your example gear so please dont tell me it was league only stuff.

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Blasting_Cap wrote:

Thank you for confirming my initial thoughts. Also thank for referring to me as "stupid" and talking "utter bullshit". Well spoken and eloquently stated with class.

Leaving the impression I was manipulating those numbers I posted was plain assholish, and shit talking my intentions too. No hard feelings about that.

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Blasting_Cap wrote:

I'll end with a very apt quote

"A person's true colors will always show within time. You may be fooled for the moment, but be patient and see what happens".

Take care friend.

The future will show... a hint from my side: Maybe try to clarify this is not a build you can do with random gear like 99% of the casual players have. Also you already admitted that not mentioning accuracy on gear was a problem. The issue I have with your guide is that you don't make it clear to people that you need really good gear in every slot to make it all work: Enough ES, enough damage, enough resists, enough accuracy. And thats why there are so many questions and complaints, people don't see this at a first glance.
Again, as I said, if you have some decent gear this can be a really fun and powerful build. I even play it AND like it, although you say I am biased.

I hope this ends the bitchfight for now. If there is anything you want to talk about feel free to PM me.

Take care

J

sarang and janus,

why don't you make your own build and be busy with it? seriously, why do you free bump this thread all day?

1- have anyone said this build is good for starters or budget friendly? no, blast and i say from the start the opposite and i'm trying to do everything to discourage starters to play this build.

so why is janus here? to ad an opal ring without accuracy? ok good luck with that. but the more you ad that ring while giving the argument that this build requires a lot of accuracy, the more it makes you look... "confused."
also thanks for dps testing with different gear, really appreciated.

Sarang? what do you do here? I dont know man, it is really low that you try to pick one instance of what i said and try to generalize it as if i know no shit about the game. It is funny that, i have shit loads of knowledge about broken stuff of bow builds, i just shared 2 of them with my friends, one resulted Signalshot(i was using life version and if i had written my own guide, it wouldnt be as impactful(even half) as blast did for sure! - making the build for CI and how he represented the build by his streaming is awesome), the other one resulted the hall of grandmasters char Danzig. and 2 weeks later FW + LA got fixed. Mathil claimed he found out the mechanic by himself(while whole pvp scene have been aware of it since 3 years - but its true power has never discovered fully) It is funny that you try to tag me with some self claims about what i lack, and what i am. Oh i read your guide too, ahhh, i dont know man... i havent read such uninspiring build since long time. sorry to say that.
(the guy who i adviced to delete leech nodes was lacking dps, and since i never run out of vinktars(even non leg and even with white harbinger - i dont know how people run out of vinktar charges while map clearing!) i think those who lack dps big time should be focusing on having flask duration on belt + collecting dps while ignoring leech nodes in tree this is what i adviced to him and that is still a great idea i think.)

this whole knowledge of broken shit is not because i'm a strategical genius, because i enjoy pvp even though its broken and the only thing we do there is to exploit the skills which has "programming" imperfections like LA, ice shot, molten shell etc. I just have decent bow gear. I make things happen even though thye look impossible. Then we start optimizing it for pve. in short, the guys i brainstorm with are really amazing.

the other funny part is, in guildchat we talk about a lot of build ideas yet we launched only one guide for one, cause because of toxic people writing guides became a really hard thing to do. this makes me really sad.

you wouldnt belive how many OP builds havent even revealed yet. i'm really looking forward to see you make one of them viable. good luck.

Damn Rup I thought "we were gonna have a laugh" about that one instance. Apparently the hatchet can't be buried (offer still open) and now it's "really low" that I said that, even if in my original post remember I literally just said that as a memorable instance where I thought you and blasting weren't on the same page. (As an aside if you can show me temp league high tier map gameplay where a user doesn't have Duelist Nodes and a Non-Legacy Vinktar + White Harbinger, feel free to show the proof -- genuinely interested). And you can see from the user's response, he was confused as well:

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jaiinus wrote:

What?

Your tree is literally unplayable in breach... you gave up the attack damage life and mana leech meaning the build has no leech of either kind without Vinktars up. So if your vinktar runs out you can't attack anymore. All you "changed" was grabbing the already mentioned druidic ritual and Avatar of the Hunter (bow phys+ms) and dropping ES+all res. There's no way 23% increased takes 843 to 1,100 mana as I said earlier.


Also, how is my bow "weak" for a build focusing on high phys damage for 100% conversion? T1 flat, T2%, divined up to 90th+ percentile? Anyone looking for a bow in breach is going to struggle to even find one like mine much less divined that well.

That was actually one of the first days that I read through the guide to gain understanding, and that interaction was one of the latest in the thread at the time. That's all I said about it, remember you cherry-picked it out of my post that I made, and forced me to provide context. I did that, as requested. And all of the sudden it went from "haha we can laugh about it" to "hey man that's really low" and apparently some insults to my guide. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The video I made actually was in defense of this build. Janus claimed that you needed a certain budget for performance (which, for clarification may have meant actual DPS numbers later on -- whatever). I thought I would weigh in because my CI gear isn't awesome and I did it with a cheap Unique Bow to show that someone can still do the majority of content with it. The flipside to this was comments on the 5L ROTC run, etc, which you can go back and revisit. The vital comment I wanted to make on budget was that pricing was likely a little off due to temp league prices generally being lower than in Standard.

Oh, and regarding the post I made:

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Rupenus wrote:

I agree with the rest you say.(lolheretic started killing shaper with an average gear than he started upgrading it)

With respect to a big chunk of that post, basically the two sentences that didn't contain Chin Sol. So I don't see how that, is in any way, some kind of "attack" on this guide or thread if the secondary advertiser of the guide stated that "agree[d] with the rest." In fact, the only thing I poked fun at was that instance I remembered from 1 mo+ ago that you now can't let go of, and have now rapidly changed gears and tone. You had to post personal matters in the thread that had to do fuck all with this build, and now it has massively shifted to sudden things regarding your overall game knowledge and how your guildmates interact with you. That's great?

Come on everyone. All this back and forth is not helping those trying to work on the build. Players can PM players with arguments, etc.

Cheers to all of you yet you are filling the thread with unneeded content :P