Current state of hld

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EFBBBF wrote:

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TL;DR: GGG pls destroy any build except legacy phys 2h RT cyclone.

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seems like I can post this tl;dr on each mulla's thread :D

I think ggg should give mulla's characters personal 250% more pvp dmg buff. just for great justice and 'balance'.

Ha didn't even see this one.

1) I don't have legacy gear or mirrored gear

2) I've been Avatar of Fire for well over a year + now and haven't touched physical 2h RT in a long time. I've been Avatar of Fire since it was re introduced into the game people just had no idea. I saw cwdt IC meta, molten shell etc..etc.. and was way ahead of the curve my friend.

cyclone nerf on 30% less is stupid idea GGG balance team, ahh not team , its 1 idiot person who slowly kill HLD step by step. Why not 50% or 70%, and yes, we remember pve nerf of cleave (tell me where is this skill now)...

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Jedi_blr wrote:

cyclone nerf on 30% less is stupid idea GGG balance team, ahh not team , its 1 idiot person who slowly kill HLD step by step. Why not 50% or 70%, and yes, we remember pve nerf of cleave (tell me where is this skill now)...

Cyclones fine

Cyclone was way too strong before, now it's on par with other melee skill without beeing nerf to oblivion.

Same with Tempest shield, it's still a very good utility spell who can do some serious damage but it won't one shot fast hitter anymore.

I would reduce the damage when the arrow detonates on objects rather than players. It always been like this since day 1 if you stand near walls against EA you are done. Though i do agree that some EA'ers still do high damage when shot directly on players i lean torwards thinking EE + curses are far more op. The reason is you cannot gear for resists and tankyness while maintaining the dps to outspeed and outdamage, of course you can end up tanking the whole thing with tweaking but you cannot keep the build as an overall pvp spec to defeat everytype of builds. It's all it is about in pvp, having the best rounded build that can do good against all, it's a pain in the ass to redo a build just to deal with 1 other build, it takes many chromes, regrets, res gear, swaps, item swaps, which you clearly have 0 time to do in any season tournament swiss or etc.

My 2 cents.

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hauntworld1 wrote:

I would reduce the damage when the arrow detonates on objects rather than players. It always been like this since day 1 if you stand near walls against EA you are done. Though i do agree that some EA'ers still do high damage when shot directly on players i lean torwards thinking EE + curses are far more op. The reason is you cannot gear for resists and tankyness while maintaining the dps to outspeed and outdamage, of course you can end up tanking the whole thing with tweaking but you cannot keep the build as an overall pvp spec to defeat everytype of builds. It's all it is about in pvp, having the best rounded build that can do good against all, it's a pain in the ass to redo a build just to deal with 1 other build, it takes many chromes, regrets, res gear, swaps, item swaps, which you clearly have 0 time to do in any season tournament swiss or etc.

My 2 cents.

Ya EA had this potential since open beta pre 1.0, just not many people PvPed nor used it. Gear wasn't as good back then either but that was just because of the games age. Less wall damage is a good alternative to an overall reduction. Mechanically id just hate to see it get turned into shit, its a cool skill. As far as EE and cursing goes, I feel its fair. At least you can combat it and if you're a caster it really shouldn't be a gripe of yours seen as how you have RoP/Purity of fire and ruby flasks amongst other things. Now playing against someone and being able to swap gear accordingly between rounds is fine imo. Gear swaps are something you can't eliminate from PvP because then you have even worse balance then you started with. When it comes to the few tournament events that locked your gear, yes bow users of all types have an edge here. I wouldn't say this requires attention though, there are bigger better things to address.

Low life Es casters have pretty solid options against ignite,negative resistance cursing/EE. Have range so don't need to go near walls and still have crit burst damage and tempest shield (works on initial fuse). Fact you can't be ignited makes being Es not so much a handicap because you can now regen if you get a chance to. I just have to add if you don't have resists F/L/C as a caster you should rethink your gear.

Edit: Casters are better at range then they've ever been with the removal of shotgunning and buffs to initial damage. More ironed out class now where they can play at other ranges effectively instead of trying to face tank everyone for shotguns.

1h melee both Es and Hp based have good options though often times have lower health pools unless CI. Have to get EA users away from walls or insta die going in.

Blood magic users lose purity as an option. If you're also a bow user EA vs Crit bow is imo an even match up. 2h Melee same as 1h melee minus most of the options i.e purity (if BM) and RoP.

Arena's play a good factor in how strong EA is at any given time too. In Sarn you shouldn't be losing to EA unless you're stupid. In 1v1/2v2/3v3 and CTF arenas you have literally no breathing room in some of them. In others you can use the walls to skirt around without taking damage but ultimately its you vs an EA'r on a wall at some point. They should re introduce that coast arena we had and remove the shitty docks one.

I agree with most stuff here but I have a slightly different opinion on 1h crit. I think 1h is a little under powered at the moment. I find there are a lot of options to reduce the accuracy crit chance and multiplier of basically all melee crit builds to a point where they are very ineffective even more so now that we have things like golems we can constantly re cast to support us.


Besides that with the new jewles people are crafting PA is quickly dominating other builds EA included. Ive seen PA builds approaching 100k cloud dps...no amount of regen/chaos res is going to be able to help you with that when your cursed with vuln.


I definitely think casters got some really nice new options and the jewels will make some not so great abilities more useful.

GGG should introduce an item with reflect all damages.
There is no reason why only phy damages are reflected nowadays with the over use of pen gems.

About PA it is time ggg introduce more poison res on tree.

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I agree with most stuff here but I have a slightly different opinion on 1h crit. I think 1h is a little under powered at the moment. I find there are a lot of options to reduce the accuracy crit chance and multiplier of basically all melee crit builds to a point where they are very ineffective even more so now that we have things like golems we can constantly re cast to support us.


Besides that with the new jewles people are crafting PA is quickly dominating other builds EA included. Ive seen PA builds approaching 100k cloud dps...no amount of regen/chaos res is going to be able to help you with that when your cursed with vuln.


I definitely think casters got some really nice new options and the jewels will make some not so great abilities more useful.

I disagree, 1h crit got buffed by quite a bit 2.0. Phase run makes 1hit flicker possible again(seen it), cwdt flame dash works pretty much the same as a flicker, when you take damage you're teleported to the attacker and can instantly start do a few hits and he's dead. People can 2shot my marauder with stuff like reave which I find quite insane. People complain they can't 1shot people with crit 1h, ea, rangers, caster, 2h(well no one really complains cause it's impossible) but honestly how fun would that be? Boring pvp that requires nothing but a click here and there and your opponnent is dead, sounds boring to me atlesat. I want tactics and different apporaches to different builds, therefor I am a much bigger fan of team pvp rather than 1v1 since they quickly get boring

just my 2 cents

Have yet to see these killer PA builds. As for 1h its not underpowered no way. Even without phase run I just don't see how anyone can think 1h is gimped. Level 1 Frost blades + Bino's and partial gear on my stripped shadow was killing people 1-2 shots and standing even with guys I know have top gear. Yes there's blind,enfeeble,block and dodges but crit builds have just as many options to still push through those things without sacrificing much damage. Jewels offer accuracy, crit and crit multiplier which if you aren't using on a crit melee build you're doing it wrong. Accuracy should be acknowledged as much as any other stat knowing if you're going to PvP its going to get abused. Accuracy nodes are hybrid crit nodes on the tree. Added accuracy gem was nerfed but its still powerful and Poachers Mark is a godlike curse no one uses. Sometimes I think people just type shit on here so I can reply and give them an idea how to properly play.


Problems are still the ones I noted in the first post. Tweak EA damage in some way while retaining its mechanics. Address the ridiculous damage output of traps/mines when used in conjunction with bows that also do ridiculous ranged damage and rape flask meta.