BANANATHROW lvl100x2 proven;uber atziri capable ... (crit ele spectral mass dps and mf capable)

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Balguez wrote:

Dunno what I'm missing here, but care to elaborate the interaction of Paw's and reflect?
How can a build that deals mostly ele dmg, but leeches only phys dmg be better at handling reflect than an ele build that leeches on it's ele and phys dmg?

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reaperpi wrote:

Loath bane is really cool if you have the money. That's more of fyndel's build than flubby's.

Flubby uses mostly ele dmg with a bit of phys damage on his dagger for mana leech. The advantage here is that as a result, he really doesn't have to worry about reflect.

Fyndels setup (JakeAlmighty uses it as well) is nice because it means you get another gem slot, you can get away with no leech gem. You need some way to deal with reflect however, either a cwdt ic setup (you hit something and leech back what you lost before the IC ends) or grace.

Both setups are solid, fyndel's is more expensive, you need more supporting gear to make it work, flubby's scales really well and deals with reflect a bit more easily, especially with acuities.

Acuities is a MUCH bigger deal than loath bane.

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Flubby wrote:

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reaperpi wrote:

Loath bane is really cool if you have the money. That's more of fyndel's build than flubby's.

Flubby uses mostly ele dmg with a bit of phys damage on his dagger for mana leech. The advantage here is that as a result, he really doesn't have to worry about reflect.

Fyndels setup (JakeAlmighty uses it as well) is nice because it means you get another gem slot, you can get away with no leech gem. You need some way to deal with reflect however, either a cwdt ic setup (you hit something and leech back what you lost before the IC ends) or grace.

Both setups are solid, fyndel's is more expensive, you need more supporting gear to make it work, flubby's scales really well and deals with reflect a bit more easily, especially with acuities.

Acuities is a MUCH bigger deal than loath bane.

fyndels and jakes approach has severe drawbacks:

a) their chars are A LOT less robust since they loose 4/5 of the leech don't believe it ? try it urself
b) they need loath bane or similarly high pdps versions (which i am pretty sure does less dps in the end then e.g eagle thirst if u factor the need for grace instead of haste in see c)
c) that high pdps as u mentioned forces you to go way more defensive and u kinda have put in grace and usually also put in ondars (bye bye points bye bye haste)
d) that c) makes u loose purity of light and rips away the possibility to get clarity since you are now forced to run hatred on top of anger wrath grace and disc
e) the overall obtainable tooltip dps of theirs is less then what u can get on this specc maxed out. ( have to pay off two mirror from the foe eye massacre then gonna get the 70 multi ammy from axn to proove my point, but our values are allready beyond theirs without that ammy and just one foe eye).
d) The only gain is faster projectiles for life leech. faster projectiles to me plays shitty (a lot less control) and in good parties makes the party drop easy 20% ep gain due to way to far offscreen kills. also it plays more turretstyle (no haste and well fp simply does that) not the fluent fast pace ninja action u can see in the vids (3-4 blades flicker/wb tow packs next ..). . Learning to handle whirling blades and flicker well admittedly takes quite some time and adjustment to but once u mastered it youll never want to go back imho.

last notes: i havent been updating this thread in ages and quite frankly didnt watch the last 40 pages of respones either. i have a spare friday and will probably do one last final major update to the specc thread with end results( double foe + standard mirror ammy + lvl 100 dps specc at the considered playable 6kes border) and uber section (specc has been posted somewhere allready but well guess its gotta be linked upfront).

Afte rthat i'll be testing a new semi promising idea in the 1 months so stay tuned.

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Ceratoidei wrote:

the only think I don't like about just using wrath & anger is the missing perma freeze...
If you would change rings+dagger to cold-ele rolls, I'd prefer your build, but currently I'm using a mixture of both worlds, works just fine

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Veruski wrote:

lol what the fuck

why would you use life leech gem with a phys dagger?

XD

some real derpenstein moments in this thread...