Cast on Crit

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thinkingofaname wrote:

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NagiSoi wrote:

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azmodael wrote:

The AoE damage potential of CoC is simply insane - check out the cyclone EK/Discharge videos circulating around and you will see why it needs to get toned down. I am using spectral throw with GMP and my clearing speed is comparable to that of... say an LA archer. If it were to be nerfed to one spell/attack or on cooldown it'd be completely destroyed.

One reflect mob and those are dead, plus i think that cyclone build used ek on damage taken aswell. Potential dmg is very good vs bigger groups against smaller sizes dps drops down into crap numbers tho. And dont forget you need very high crit, spell power, high att speed, and other stuff to do lots of damage. Very point heavy build.

I 100% agree on the point heavy part. There is no way you can have any reasonable hp/es with a CoC build because you need to spec into every god damn thing. Accuracy, attack speed, weapon crit chance, spell damage, on top of mana (unlike CoDT) CoC isn't free and that 140% mana cost does apply. Then you need the typical defenses like HP/ES/Res. Not to mention those tend to be all over the place and forcing you to waste alot of points to get across. Unless you have legacy koam or ES equiv armor you are pretty much glass canon.

One cast per attack skill is even more retarded than a hard cooldown. You are basically using an attack that only give you roughly 50% chance (very generous estimate after factor in 2/3 proc chance of CoC and your weapon crit chance/accuracy) to cast a 2 socket less version of a spell, while having less passive to work with than a traditional caster...completely retarded.

If they have to super nerf it because of QQs or FotM streamers, make it a smart cooldown. Something like make CoC proc maximum of 4 times per second. Basically its a hard cap on the damage CoC can pump out, so people with 100 exalts of gear can not abuse it but those who are running with far modest budget can still make good use of it.

Its much smarter than a hard cooldown because RNG can screw you over and make CoC not proc at all for a second or two. With a smart cooldown you could get multiple procs immediately after to help you leech back the damage you took during bad RNG moments and keep you alive. Whereas if they set a hard (retarded) cooldown, you will get at most 1 proc every 250ms even after a series of no proc, this is not enough to upset the damage you took aka. your character is likely dead.

A smart cooldown also balance builds that stack like 4 EKs with CoC. Basically it is still useful because with a Crit you have 4 chances to CoC EK, so you will always proc some EK, but you still can not proc more than 4 EK per second, giving it a hard cap not and letting the user shoot 10 EK a second and destroy everything. Stacking multiple EK is still useful with a smart cooldown because each EK still give you an additional chance to proc, so you are much more likely to reach the CoC smart cooldown cap than someone with just 1 EK linked. This in turn let you have lower crit chances and still reach the max cap, letting the user put those passive points elsewhere at the expense of using additional sockets.

Thoughts?

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NagiSoi wrote:

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NagiSoi wrote:

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azmodael wrote:

The AoE damage potential of CoC is simply insane - check out the cyclone EK/Discharge videos circulating around and you will see why it needs to get toned down. I am using spectral throw with GMP and my clearing speed is comparable to that of... say an LA archer. If it were to be nerfed to one spell/attack or on cooldown it'd be completely destroyed.

One reflect mob and those are dead, plus i think that cyclone build used ek on damage taken aswell. Potential dmg is very good vs bigger groups against smaller sizes dps drops down into crap numbers tho. And dont forget you need very high crit, spell power, high att speed, and other stuff to do lots of damage. Very point heavy build.

The most balanced nerf i was thinking about was: you can only have two spells linked to it (2 ek's , 2ice spears or w/e) nerfs 6links power (rich players), but doesnt nerf the poor players that much.

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Grzybas2 wrote:

Looks like there is no nerf to this gem and it was just a rumour

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Fusion_Power wrote:

I still find this gem not very useful if you don't have 6l items. I would more prefer a setup that may trigger the gem independent of linked attack skill so whenever you do a crit, it triggers. As balance, GGG could reduce the possible trigger to only one skill of a kind, so no more multiple skills of the same type.
I wanted to use Cast on Crit just to cast some curses and maybe some armor if my Ranger does a crit. But I can't use this skill because it does not work if not linked to an active trigger skill that crits. Bad.

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Ludvator2 wrote:

Any current plans on changing its mechanic to be "per attack" instead of "per hit" ?

edit: or plans on adding cooldown to it?

Id like to build around this gem so it would be great to know..