[Removed by Support] (Scam Report)
" What you saying makes no sense. I said to him it was 521 divines missing and he ignored the message and soon after logged out. I am monitoring his account and he since logged in twice. What is really annoying is GGG having full access of this information and their lack of compromise with players. It is easy to see our chat log, to see he put down a price for mirror, he had the currency with him and still opted for bad faith. And GGG said to me that those things are not bannable. That is what bugs me a lot. They could get in touch with him and ask his version of the story and if that is a misundertanding we settle things but no, he simply got away with currency. About the restaurant example dude, if you have no scruples to see something wrong and correct it for some advantage you're lame. That should be the kind of life you live in. I'm not saying everyone should be the best person you can possibly be but we should have a system to punish those one acting badly so this things does not happen on daily basis like it's a normal scam ppl. |
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" And this is why you are wrong. No one is "acting badly" here. No one switched any items intentionally, hacked the game, or some other unscrupulous behavior. The trade was completed exactly as accepted. The trade window fits 1200 divine. The decision was made to trade that mirror for the 1200 divine in the trade window. Sadly....you aren't owed anything beyond that since the trade was finished. This is what I mean by you handing him "free money". And you can claim idealism as much as you want: I happen to live in the real world. People will absolutely say something if the "bill" (for whatever trade or purchase is being made) is NOT in their favor (your side in this case), but they are extremely unlikely to say anything if it is reversed. This is reality. Especially when it comes to money. Most people are not thieves, but if free money falls into their lap, they are far more likely to keep it. That doesn't make them a thief. Nor does it make them a bad actor. They just happened to have been presented a very beneficial position for them with no downsides or responsibility. They didn't seek it out or force it: it just happened. It is simply foolish to rely on the "honor system". It takes an immensely specialized environment for this to be effective....and video game trade is most certainly NOT it. Furthermore, you simultaneously in this thread recognize that no rule or misbehavior happened, and that it was YOUR fault for making this trade.....but then a few posts later claim you want action taken against this guy for...what? He didn't do anything wrong. You are going back and forth here. A trade in PoE consists of: 1) Player A putting an item in the trade window 2) Player B putting an item in the trade window 3) Both players accepting (key point here: BOTH players accepting) 4) Trade is finalized There are safeguards for every single step of that process. Tell me: at what point did this malicious actor take advantage of any of these 4 steps, or "cheat" to warrant any sort of investigation or punishment? Starting anew....with PoE 2 Last edited by cowmoo275#3095 on Mar 5, 2026, 9:59:59 PM
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Don't get me wrong: it SUCKS that this happened to you. But the burden of "guilt" lies almost entirely on you for making and accepting the trade, amidst and against multiple safeguards preventing such a decision.
But there is nothing to be held accountable here. There are no guarantors for either party, nor was any rule broken. It's a learning lesson for next time. There's also the air of impatience on your part: trading your mirror in that way knowing full well that 1) the trade window does not allow 1700 divines in one go and 2) Faustus trade exists and it likely would have taken you less than an hour of dedicated farming to get enough gold to SAFELY trade your mirror. Impatience which led to a bad decision being made. Starting anew....with PoE 2 Last edited by cowmoo275#3095 on Mar 5, 2026, 10:08:00 PM
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" On this point I agree with you. I was dumb for not opting for the safer way to do the trade itself. Plus I had farmed 3 million gold on the league to do this trade and my gold was gone after migration. Well i did not know that there was a button that would migrate my gold and Atlas to Standard so i assumed i had lost it. But when you message a person through the website it is explicit the price agreed for the trade. If you did that it will go into your log and if the person on the other side break the agreement and it is printed and sent to GGG that has the logs of all accounts then this person should be punished. I mean when you walk away from a deal knowing somehow you've got an advantage and the other person did not notice or said anything is a thing. But I have tried to speak to this person to finalize what was the agreement and yes if the person walks away this is theft. It sucks, I've lost currency and luckily enough I've got this mirror on the league for a cheaper price than even 1200 div. But it is sad seeing ppl like this scamming you and going unpunished for. |
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That makes me feel like scamming is legal in this game. All you've got to do is make a spare account and wait for honest/uninformed ppl fall for this bait and pretend you've got handed free currency. Apparently scam people will not get you banned so why not?
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" Patch Notes 3.15: Fixed a bug where players believed the game was playable. This has been corrected and made retroactive. Patch Notes 3.19: Fixed a bug where players adapted to 3.15. This bug cannot be corrected, so we have implemented a 90% reduction in item access as a punishment. Last edited by BlaqWolf#1151 on Mar 6, 2026, 8:52:13 AM
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All the tools to avoid getting scammed are there. You chose not to use them. GGG is not there to police this kind of social interaction. They never have. They ensure the integrity of the trade window, the merchant tab and currency exchange. That's their job. Everything else is at your own risk.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that this is a really shitty thing to do, but I don't think their terms of use say anything about this kind of trading scam. I don't think any of the "landmine" traders have been punished either, and those were there for everyone to see in the merchant tabs. So yes there will always be people that try these things and if you don't want to fall victim to that you have to use the provided secure trading methods and double-check everything. That might come at the price of some inconvenience or reduced profit, but it's the only way to be sure. Last edited by twostroketom#5281 on Mar 6, 2026, 8:52:18 AM
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These. are. not. scams.
You keep using the "scam" word, without proving thats what occurred. What you describe as a scam, is akin to you mis-clicking divines when you meant chaos, yet accepting the trade anyway....and then trying to tell the other person "I made a mistake and clicked the wrong item, can I have my divines back?". Nope....sorry.....that is YOUR bad. You move on. No one scammed anyone. The true bad actors in the trade pull shenanigans like switching out a corrupted item and preying on your "rush" to finish the trade, or back in the day, they chose 6L items where it was really difficult to see the final link and switched it with a 5L at the last second. These actions show ill intent and true scamming, but even then you need to accept these trades to move it forward. A scam implies someone trying to manipulate the system to prey on you in some malicious way. Howeer; you trying to trade a mirror for more than the trade window allows, assuming he will just hand the rest over after the initial trade? Not a scam...just a very very poor decision. The trade you accepted was 1 mirror for 1200 divines. The trade window fits a finite amount of currency. Everyone knows that. It is no secret, nor does it fluctuate. A trade is done with acceptance from BOTH PARTIES. At every step of the transaction. If YOU (you meaning the one claiming to be "scammed") is choosing to work AGAINST all of these systems that the game has in place EXACTLY TO PROTECT YOU FROM BEING SCAMMED..................then how can you turn around and complain the game isn't protecting you from what you claim to be a scam????? Do you see the irony and hypocrisy in this? The game already protected you from these kinds of "scams": you willingly and specifically ignored them. Moreover, another option existed for you to make the trade exactly the way you wanted WITHOUT having to deal with the possibility of "trusting" a faceless entity with free money. What else could GGG possibly do to help you when you were adamantly against all the tools they already provided? Starting anew....with PoE 2 Last edited by cowmoo275#3095 on Mar 6, 2026, 2:47:41 PM
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Hate this happened to you mate. I've been scammed many times before. Although I understand this wasn't a scam exactly.
When last this happened to me, it was during Bestiary. Ever since then I have a '10 second' policy for trades, and this scales up depending on the amount of currency I'm trading for. Unless of course its a tiny trade, such as alchemy orbs, etc. This has saved me a lot of headaches. Thats what I suggest. Establish a policy for yourself, to ensure this never happens again. (Personal story unrelated to game below)
Spoiler
Years ago I dropped my wallet walking out of a store. I pulled my keys out of my pocket and my wallet accidentally fell out. It was a long time before I even realized it was missing, let alone the fact I lost it at that store.
Fast forward past 30+ hours of mental torment, I get a call from the police. A man found my wallet. He didn't just turn it in though, he DROVE it personally to my house. The purpose of me being in that store was to cash my paycheck, so there was a lot of money in it. But not a single bill was missing. I thanked him over and over, invited him into my house, I offered to give him $200 as a thank you. But he wouldn't accept any of it. Possibly the kindest person I've ever met. I think about him from time to time and I, involuntarily, will ask myself: 'what would Mark do?'. The whole idea of 'pay it forward' stuck out to me. In how, I felt that because of this good will, I must continue the trend. While it might seem trivial, these types of encounters often have a major impact on us. I'll never forget him. Confront those who dare obstruct the transmission of your information with swift rejection, for they sit silently obsessing over your submission.
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