Blood Mage Dominance, Ascendancy Power, and Lich

Sure. Blood Mage.

Meanwhile Infernalist at 10k/s Recoup has to be one-shot and obliterates all the same. Unlike Blood Mage, Mapping or Bosses doesn't matter. Recovery stays the same long as you keep casting.

Please don't tell me you think BM keeps up with uncapped Demon Form + Grinning immolation.

All 3 of the Witch options are good. It's Sorc that sucks.

Sorc is not bad….


Neither is “outside of lich and varashtra”


I like how these two are both saying competing things here lol

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spohanpiscanc#4457 wrote:

I am getting super tired of your misrepresentation of what is being said.

This will be my last response to you.

No problem. If you feel that I'm not understanding your point and you no longer want to continue this discussion I can respect that.

Perhaps I've misunderstood you. The general tone of this thread has been to nerf BM. If you don't feel that BM needs to be nerfed than I apologize for thinking that you did.

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spohanpiscanc#4457 wrote:

IMHO what needs to happen is a major adjustment of how spells.... then you can start looking at how to nerf BM top end, less crit dmg multi on the 15% crit node seems like a good idea to me.

However, when you say stuff like this, I interpret that as wanting to nerf BM, despite having said "rathpith globe" is a significant part of it's power:

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spohanpiscanc#4457 wrote:

The BM would suffer the greatest hit with the removal of rathpith globe

despite implying spells in general having problems:

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spohanpiscanc#4457 wrote:

IMHO what needs to happen is a major adjustment of how spells scale with levels, their mana costs...

Despite admitting that the "Overpoweredness" of BM would be very difficult to do in SSF:

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spohanpiscanc#4457 wrote:

This is why BM is op and never dies when scaled properly even tho pob defense numbers look like dogwater.

I cannot imagine getting there in an SSF environment, but in trade it is pretty much the goat

I interpret this as someone looking at evidence that suggest baseline BM isn't a problem and still wanting to nerf baseline BM.

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spohanpiscanc#4457 wrote:

then you can start looking at how to nerf BM top end, less crit dmg multi on the 15% crit node seems like a good idea to me.

But sure, maybe I've misrepresented what you've said.

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

Sorc is not bad….


Neither is “outside of lich and varashtra”


I like how these two are both saying competing things here lol

Varash is okay but takes a while to come online much like Infernalist.

I think the difference is Demon form will carry you on it's own till you can get there while Varash just straight up needs high level gems and focus. The other two Sorc aren't great though.

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spohanpiscanc#4457 wrote:

I am getting super tired of your misrepresentation of what is being said.

This will be my last response to you.

IMHO what needs to happen is a major adjustment of how spells scale with levels, their mana costs, base mana regen of the player needs to be much higher, base cast speed of all spells needs to be faster, penalty to movement while casting lower and most other caster ascendancies need some usable ES recovery ascendancy to name a few. then you can start looking at how to nerf BM top end, less crit dmg multi on the 15% crit node seems like a good idea to me.

Starts to make a lot more sense with these opinions when you see stuff like this though: