DO something vs TRADEBOTS

unreal to buy anything needed for cheap...those bots see items before its show in market/site...when its show up its saying Item no longer available after 0.5sec its not even say like Item is in demand its just insta buy by bots...is it hard to ban them every day? or u keep them farm all league and then banwave 1/2-3 month?

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Impos27#6450 wrote:

unreal to buy anything needed for cheap...those bots see items before its show in market/site...when its show up its saying Item no longer available after 0.5sec its not even say like Item is in demand its just insta buy by bots...is it hard to ban them every day? or u keep them farm all league and then banwave 1/2-3 month?

I don't think that this particular problem means a bot bought the item before you. It's the new system price fixers use. The price fixer sells the item via the merchant for cheap, so you "think" it's legit and available to purchase. however they do something with their account to make this item "not available" and just hanging on the trade site forever for cheap. Now someone selling a similar item sees low prices -> sees it's sold via merchant -> thinks "so this must be the price" and post his/her own item for cheap as well, and that item then gets sniped.

This is somehow a new price fixing method, before they would post the items via merchant and let ggg ban their accounts. So if you wanted to buy the cheap item it would say "account has been banned" but the item would be on the trade forever. Seems like there's a new method maybe not requiring the banning of accounts, or GGG just simply changed the error message to "item not available".

In any case, this price fixing is happening for a long time now and GGG just ignores it. The devs seem to have absolutely no care for the actual state of the game and the trade mechanic. Unfortunately they just hide behind this fake "Early Access" tag, so they have an excuse for not making a good game.

lets just hope they add more ways for actual player to buy something fairly, giving biding system seems like a cool idea where u can add item for like 10min and people can bid the currecny they wanna pay for it and its taken from the account until auction ends or ur offer is topped by someone

i wouldnt mind trying to win over item i want it would regulate the prices really fast where people would put buyout for the price the can accept and let the bidding going

they came up with a huge trade system out of no where, i belive in them improving it with time

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KubaLy#4534 wrote:

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Impos27#6450 wrote:

unreal to buy anything needed for cheap...those bots see items before its show in market/site...when its show up its saying Item no longer available after 0.5sec its not even say like Item is in demand its just insta buy by bots...is it hard to ban them every day? or u keep them farm all league and then banwave 1/2-3 month?

I don't think that this particular problem means a bot bought the item before you. It's the new system price fixers use. The price fixer sells the item via the merchant for cheap, so you "think" it's legit and available to purchase. however they do something with their account to make this item "not available" and just hanging on the trade site forever for cheap. Now someone selling a similar item sees low prices -> sees it's sold via merchant -> thinks "so this must be the price" and post his/her own item for cheap as well, and that item then gets sniped.

This is somehow a new price fixing method, before they would post the items via merchant and let ggg ban their accounts. So if you wanted to buy the cheap item it would say "account has been banned" but the item would be on the trade forever. Seems like there's a new method maybe not requiring the banning of accounts, or GGG just simply changed the error message to "item not available".

In any case, this price fixing is happening for a long time now and GGG just ignores it. The devs seem to have absolutely no care for the actual state of the game and the trade mechanic. Unfortunately they just hide behind this fake "Early Access" tag, so they have an excuse for not making a good game.

Do you have proof of this? It sounds very conspiratorial to me, especially if the items are high demand like certain meta precursor tablets, unID gamble uniques (ex. Heart of the Well) or "crafting" components.

u know, item show after its lock..so seller cant somehow cancel the deal..this is example
https://www.pathofexile.com/trade2/search/poe2/Fate%20of%20the%20Vaal/4m0vwRaYi9
this armor cost 1000+div..but without + energy shield its 100 div...but many ppl dont know about it and sell it for 100div...but every time when i try to buy it for 100div..its alrdy not available..even if i sit 1 hour and insta try to press buy..even with is no chance..its alrdy Item no longer available..its mean bots see when item in shop...and looks they tp befor lock come...and insta buy when its lock..i dont know how..but i try to buy armor for last 3 days..and cant and its only 1 example/1000 they need to do something vs bots...idk how..mb they need to close web version and keep only in game..so bots cant connect and data mining or no clue how they do it...but its big problem...for normal players..and bots jut farm 100000div/day and i bet sell it...

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Pizzarugi#6258 wrote:

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KubaLy#4534 wrote:

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Impos27#6450 wrote:

unreal to buy anything needed for cheap...those bots see items before its show in market/site...when its show up its saying Item no longer available after 0.5sec its not even say like Item is in demand its just insta buy by bots...is it hard to ban them every day? or u keep them farm all league and then banwave 1/2-3 month?

I don't think that this particular problem means a bot bought the item before you. It's the new system price fixers use. The price fixer sells the item via the merchant for cheap, so you "think" it's legit and available to purchase. however they do something with their account to make this item "not available" and just hanging on the trade site forever for cheap. Now someone selling a similar item sees low prices -> sees it's sold via merchant -> thinks "so this must be the price" and post his/her own item for cheap as well, and that item then gets sniped.

This is somehow a new price fixing method, before they would post the items via merchant and let ggg ban their accounts. So if you wanted to buy the cheap item it would say "account has been banned" but the item would be on the trade forever. Seems like there's a new method maybe not requiring the banning of accounts, or GGG just simply changed the error message to "item not available".

In any case, this price fixing is happening for a long time now and GGG just ignores it. The devs seem to have absolutely no care for the actual state of the game and the trade mechanic. Unfortunately they just hide behind this fake "Early Access" tag, so they have an excuse for not making a good game.

Do you have proof of this? It sounds very conspiratorial to me, especially if the items are high demand like certain meta precursor tablets, unID gamble uniques (ex. Heart of the Well) or "crafting" components.

First of all I experienced it many times myself when making purchases. Price fixing was halted for a while when merchants were created and people just started to ignore non-merchant listings. You couldn't just post a cheap item via merchant without it being bought out (the old trading mechanism allows for it, you just ignore the buy requests).

After some time during 0.3 price fixers found a way to use merchants that don't allow for purchase and make the item stay on trade list for cheap, without the option to buy it. And that was to have the listing account banned. It was very wide-spread and most items with high sell volume were fixed like that. If you played trade in 0.3 it's unlikely you did not experience this exploit. I'm sure many people in this forum can confirm this, however if you want quick proof here's one of the many posts about it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1nth0hw/items_from_banned_users_shouldnt_appear_on_the/

You can also paste this to google ai: "poe2 price fixing account has been banned message when purchasing". You'll get a detailed description of how this works.

Now, the issue the OP is describing (that I too experienced this season myself) looks exactly like the ban exploit, just a different error message. So either it's the same exploit but GGG changed the message text to be more vague, or it's a new way of exploiting the merchant.

TLDR: there's absolutely nothing conspirational about this, it was a wide-spread issue that "everybody" was talking about in 0.3.

do you know what ping is? Ping is the problem why you think everyone is faster than you
Im not saying there are no bots, there have to be

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ryszek#5266 wrote:

do you know what ping is? Ping is the problem why you think everyone is faster than you
Im not saying there are no bots, there have to be

It's not a ping issue when a merchant item stays on the trade site for days with message "this item is no longer available". And as was pointed out before, if someone is faster than you, you get a different message, like "item in demand". This is not the case here.

bro...its not ping..if somebody buy item faster then u its saying item is demand and u still can try tp...at least u see somebody bought it...but in my situation there is just item not available anymore even if u click after 0.1sec..its alrdy gone everytime...so bots see item before its locked..and they alrdy in ur hideout and buy it in 0.1sec after its locked that why u have no chance buy it from site/ingame...and this IS SUPER PROBLEM...main big problem...devs please do something with bots...and protect players vs bots at least give us chance to buy something good too...

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KubaLy#4534 wrote:

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ryszek#5266 wrote:

do you know what ping is? Ping is the problem why you think everyone is faster than you
Im not saying there are no bots, there have to be

It's not a ping issue when a merchant item stays on the trade site for days with message "this item is no longer available". And as was pointed out before, if someone is faster than you, you get a different message, like "item in demand". This is not the case here.

I think you are not in the topic, OP said

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unreal to buy anything needed for cheap...those bots see items before its show in market/site...

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It's not a ping issue when a merchant item stays on the trade site for days with message "this item is no longer available

Which is just not what we talk about

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And as was pointed out before, if someone is faster than you, you get a different message, like "item in demand". This is not the case here

Pointed out where, by who?