Best League Ever IMO

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DistributedAutomaton#5739 wrote:

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Anal_Rek#2753 wrote:

please explain why 0.4 has the worst drop off in player count? Even 0.2 had more retention

That's not true at all. There are more players today than there were yesterday. In other leagues the player count has gone down each day.

You may be confusing retention with the fact that fewer players STARTED the league than started previous leagues. That was guaranteed to happen once GGG announced the endgame wasn't coming.

To me, the high retention this league shows that GGG should consider more private leagues in the future. An optional mid-league economic reset might be popular on an ongoing basis.

The retention is pretty bad. That there are more palyers today tha yesterday is because its weekend. That means nothing.

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Oinkaments#6390 wrote:

Now that explains a lot.

Still lingering on forum of "to-you-dead-game"? How's goin' today pal?

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

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Sakanabi#6664 wrote:

You not. Me yes.

If you call that good, then we have to talk. Seriously. A 20 second Freeze should not happen regularly at all.

If you have a medical problem in frequent intervals you would also visit a doctor. Because its not good.

You and Oinkaments look cute together. I'm glad he found a friend :)

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Sakanabi#6664 wrote:

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

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Sakanabi#6664 wrote:

You not. Me yes.

If you call that good, then we have to talk. Seriously. A 20 second Freeze should not happen regularly at all.

If you have a medical problem in frequent intervals you would also visit a doctor. Because its not good.

You and Oinkaments look cute together. I'm glad he found a friend :)

Ah getting personal here? Cute.
If people have nothing more to say,then they get personal. Typical.

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DistributedAutomaton#5739 wrote:

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Anal_Rek#2753 wrote:

please explain why 0.4 has the worst drop off in player count? Even 0.2 had more retention

That's not true at all. There are more players today than there were yesterday. In other leagues the player count has gone down each day.

You may be confusing retention with the fact that fewer players STARTED the league than started previous leagues. That was guaranteed to happen once GGG announced the endgame wasn't coming.

To me, the high retention this league shows that GGG should consider more private leagues in the future. An optional mid-league economic reset might be popular on an ongoing basis.

+1

Would be absolutely a crazy take to try to suggest .1 or .2 were better game states than what we have now.

Focusing on retention, when in all cases its hundreds of thousands of players. And then ignoring everything else is pretty funny as a take

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

Ah getting personal here? Cute.
If people have nothing more to say,then they get personal. Typical.

Aw sorry, I 100% misunderstood what you wrote before. My mistake and my apologies.

You were right about medical condition but compared to previous patches this one is the most stable for me so still the best league.

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

The retention is pretty bad. That there are more palyers today tha yesterday is because its weekend. That means nothing.

Your graph stops before the rebound at 100,000 Steam players. Most leagues don't have a bounce like that. The 0.4 numbers fell rapidly for the first two weeks, but then they improved and have been staying flat.

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

+1

Would be absolutely a crazy take to try to suggest .1 or .2 were better game states than what we have now.

Focusing on retention, when in all cases its hundreds of thousands of players. And then ignoring everything else is pretty funny as a take

It really depends.

Game stability got worse this league. With Deadlock or AMD laoding issues and shit like that.

The economy issues are insane.

Movement speed changes this league made certain build styles just way better than others. You didnt have that issues this drastrically before.

Campaign still the same slog. No improvements there.

Reducing Pack size but keeping area size the same is an issue. Not as much as people make it sometimes.

Build Diversity is okay i would say. Better than 0.2 and 0.3, but not better than 0.1. 0.1 had a really good build diversity. A lot of stat stacking tho, but other stuff was able to keep up with that.
Right now at the top end you basically only have Temporalis Blink Choir. Its simply the fastest build in the game. Nothing comes even close to that speed. Which is an issue if you want to compete with others. Which is an issue if you play this game very actively. Depends a bit on your playstyle.

Just some stuff that comes to mind rigt now. If i want i can find a lot more. Async Trade is probably the best thing that got to the game. But thta wasnt this League.
My main issue is considering the time we had since 0.1 (1 year). We didnt make it far. For me i only see slight improvements in the categories that really matter for me. I expect the game to improve in many areas which it does not. Its better 0.2 i can say that, but i wouldnt say its better than 0.1 or 0.3 considering the developmet time they had since then.

I dont like the waystone changes in 0.3 i dont like the tower change that you now have to sue tablets on each map instead on a tower. I would lieks to keep tablets on towers. And just say tehy cant generate overlapped.

There are so many bugs in the game that dont get worked on. A bug gets reported a year ago and is still in the game and it breaks builds.

Right now i discovered quiet a lot of bugs.
Vertex Mask no skill gem requirement only works for already equipped gems and not when u want to equip one. If you have +1 level rune in both skill sets, then one wand does not work. Because its the same rune. Wolf Pack only works if you have enough spirit in both skill sets. U cant use it only in one skillset if only taht has enough spirit. It works wel with other spirit skills.

89k players is still under 100k and you are forgetting 0.2 started off with 45k less players than 0.4 (245k players vs 290k). I said player retention not total players which means you take the initial player number and take away the current total to get your player drop. You can then work out percentages after with current number/starting number x 100.

My point still stands that the player count hasn't gone above 100k recently but I admit I did make a slight mistake, it was the 5th of January when the player count last exceeded 100k not the 6th.

Just to settle the argument here's the maths:

(0.2 launch) 245k - (May average) 75k ~ 170k/69.39% drop in players
(0.4 launch) 290k - (7th Jan Peak) 91k ~ 199k/68.2% drop in players
(0.4 launch) 290k - (8th Jan peak) 88k ~ 202k/69.66% drop in players
(0.4 launch) 290k - (9th Jan peak) 94k ~ 196k/67.59% drop in players

Until we get the full average for January it's not an apples to apples comparison because both the 0.2 April and May numbers are averages and only the 0.4 launch average is currently available so I used the last 3 full days. Also it seems daily numbers get erased after a few months so I annoyingly can't do a direct patch launch to exactly a month later comparison which would be the most accurate.

Even with the weekend boost 0.4 is barely ahead in percentage and still has lost more total players than 0.2. I also didn't use today's figures either because we're still yet to hit peak players so it wouldn't be valid data.