so many whiners and crybabies complaining about the game

If i buy something, im allowed to critique it lol. This league is garbage....

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InsanusMaximus#1053 wrote:

If i buy something, im allowed to critique it lol. This league is garbage....

But...but all of the streamers (whos livelihoods and identities depend on it) said it was good.

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BigBoom9240#8803 wrote:

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stkmro#2432 wrote:

I see people crying that this has been nerfed, that has been nerfed, their favorite build has been nerfed, they have zero damage now, they have zero defense now. The mobs are too difficult. Bosses are too hard. Trials are too difficult. It's too troublesome and time consuming to go through act one, act two, act three again. The areas and zones are too big. Too much traveling and walking from place to place. So many complains about this and so many complains about that.

This also surprises me. As a D4 player we had been ridiculed that we are playing an easy braind dead game. PoE fanatics keep making fun of us. Now that I am playing PoE 2 and enjoying the challenge and difficulty, I see multiple threads complaining the opposite. Now they want a D4 experience.

Come on guys. Do you want me to play D4 or not? It's like whether we go left or right, the whiners will keep whining.

There are legit issues. If you are a whiner, you'd probably be affected of what I wrote. If not, that's good.

For a very long time it was the same thing directed at D3. Whenever someone pointed how badly the gem sockets hamstrung an otherwise good loot system, Poe elitists would all say you want everything handed to you go play D3.

Now here we are in Poe2 the gem sockets have been removed from loot, and they're slowly adding cooldowns and conditions to skills, which was the exact thing we used to criticize about D4. Yet people are still defending it.

So what is the narrative? Is D3/D4 a stain on the genre that GGG should do exact opposite to. Or where they masterpieces since GGG are now copying them and being praised for it?

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Skyvortex#7923 wrote:

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InsanusMaximus#1053 wrote:

If i buy something, im allowed to critique it lol. This league is garbage....

But...but all of the streamers (whos livelihoods and identities depend on it) said it was good.

don't streamers make their living by creating sensation? the anti TV turned into full TV establishment on steroids. its very funny imo

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"stecheese1#0850 wrote:

So what is the narrative? Is D3/D4 a stain on the genre that GGG should do exact opposite to. Or where they masterpieces since GGG are now copying them and being praised for it?

Good points. I think the true narrative is these folks are whiners and anything that doesn't suit their needs is a big letdown. They don't like GGG's vision. They want their own vision.

Again this is directed to the whiners. I have nothing against legit concerns.

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stecheese1#0850 wrote:

Nah you don't learn how to build your character in this game. The Devs spell it out for you in the skill descriptions explaining the shallow baked in skill synergies. People who play "real arpgs" want to experiment and find their own synergies. The requirements for a good arpg is considered by most people to be in the depth of it's mechanics and build variety, specific difficulty is not part of those requirements. You'd probably find that if you ramped up the difficulty of Minecraft dungeons, it would feel almost identical Poe2.

Trying to make the game "difficult", Or perhaps more accurately trying to awkwardly use difficulty to enforce the use of shallow skill synergies, simply because the Devs don't like one button builds. is going to seriously damage this game.

Hard agree. The game needs to make more room for hybrid builds. The way it's structured now forces people to play the same "obvious" builds for certain archetypes. For example, I experimented with the pathfinder to find different ways to cause poison damage or dots but everything else other than taking straight physical damage gimped my build, and now that I'm full physical damage, I absolutely wreck everything. I believe that the skill tree is still too restrictive in this sense. Giving us more options in it was a step to the right direction but it still seems that it isn't enough. It does damage the game when it's advertised as something where you can truly create your own build just to realize that it does zero damage and makes the game a frustrating experience.

OneManaLeft said it best with this (this is a summary of what he said): "Notice how almost all of the new gems don't get used? Instead, the core gems from POE 1 that got imported are used almost all of the time? That's because no one wants a build that only works a % of the time"

That is their new mantra. The skill tree, gems, even gear. It's all x% to do the thing you want it to do. The end result is not fun. Adjust the actual thing, not the % chance to do the thing.

Personally, as a spell-lover, I think the infusions are a really cool idea, they just need to not force that gameplay style on an entire class. Not every spellcaster should be required to care about infusions. Also, they need to allow for infusion generation more easily and earlier on in character progression. I managed to slog through to Act 4 with fireball as my payoff spell, but I spent a few hours on some boss fights. 20 minutes of evading everything and doing zpds only to screw up once. Then, rinse and repeat. Now that I'm in Act 4, my infusion generation is really starting to kick off and I'm having a lot more fun.

Finally, MoM needs a buff. There's like one or two nodes on the whole damn tree increasing %mana. Why? Would 5 more of those nodes really make/break balance? I don't understand, genuinely. But yeah, I can't wait to take my tanky Chrono into end game and see how much dps I can squeeze out of it after going full tank :) Definitely an improvement over last league, but I think I disagree with quite a few decisions from a balance perspective.

This game feels like trash.

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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Skyvortex#7923 wrote:

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InsanusMaximus#1053 wrote:

If i buy something, im allowed to critique it lol. This league is garbage....

But...but all of the streamers (whos livelihoods and identities depend on it) said it was good.

don't streamers make their living by creating sensation? the anti TV turned into full TV establishment on steroids. its very funny imo

Streamers are all just ads now.

Really kicked a hornet's nest with this one.

For what it's worth, I played PoE1 since the very beginning, have thousands of hours in it, and I think PoE2 is the better - and more challenging - game.

It's not necessarily more "difficult" per se, just more challenging in that PoE2 requires you to know how to build, and how to play, whereas in PoE1 you can build a toon to be so powerful around one particular skill that the 'play' portion is muted to the point of turning the game into a meth-infused version of a seizure-inducing cookie-clicker casino.

Some people like figuring out puzzles, and other people only see puzzles as roadblocks on the way to cosplaying as a casino-god.

Someone should tell them that they depend on puzzle-solvers staying interested in a challenging game, because after-all, someone has to come up with their casino-god builds - and they're too busy pestering the devs to make the game easier to do that themselves.