GGG has a Ben problem.
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Well, this isn't really about Ben to be fair. Just about pro gamers in general. I assume they cheat and angleshot whenever possible. I don't think it is an honest enviroment with sportsmanship.
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" The first sentence is not complete. A game would be considered unfair if players don't have a completely equal state and action space to use in the game. This would be a general definition. The second sentence is just wrong. If it was true the game would decide who wins, not the player. This is not the definition of fair, there is no game at all, just a random roll. Think blackjack were the player cannot decide if he want to hit or not. Just a rule which decides at which point value you hit or not. This would be "fair" under your definition. So the only "fair" games under your definition are lotteries and the like. Any player interaction would make a game inherently unfair for you. So no, this not a formal definition of a fair game. Current Build: Penance Brand
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People are never on equal footing. Competition aren't and were never a "fair" activity. Competition are just a way to show how much better people are than others. To me, Competition don't make much sense for fairness.
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This is your opinion and that's fine, but its not a formal definition. Every game is per your definition "unfair", as soon as the player has a meaningful choice between two states and more than one player can play the game. Any kind of this type of choice leads to different outcome and in almost all cases one of those outcomes is better or in a maximized field the "best" outcome. This is actually a definition of a game.
Modern computer games have, thanks to single-player modes, removed this objective sometimes. But a soon as you enter more than one human player you will be able to define a winner. regardless how the winner was decided: superior skill, better genetics or just luck is not important. Current Build: Penance Brand
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" What in the participation trophy does this even mean? Are you saying that fair events result in evenly distributed victories amongst all the players? That's not at all what a fair competition is. Fair in the competition sense is that everyone starts at the same place with the same playing field with the same criteria for winning/ending. The differentiating factor will always be the competitor and whatever they bring to the table. POE is an interesting playing field because although it is even in that everyone is playing the same game, the randomness of the drops does factor into outcomes to a point. Good players learn how to slant those odds in their favor and win still (mostly). A good parallel to this would be poker. The players don't control the cards, but good players still consistently find a way to win. So, although POE isn't perfect in terms of the playing field, good players find a way win. Thanks for all the fish! Last edited by Nubatron#4333 on Aug 27, 2025, 8:31:25 AM
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" this is simply not true. even if you account for all the things out of competitor's control - like his genetics for example, there is also simple stupid luck. look into interviews with people that occupy positions with extremely limited openings like astronauts. they recently did analysis on that and it came out to something around ~5% was luck. when the discrepancy between candidates is below 2% (all highly qualified) the 5% is a massive factor. and luck is not 'fair' by any means, its based on probability which is a measure of how uncertain you are about a particular outcome that's why 'tru rng' will never exist, no matter how many quantum buzzowrds we throw in to it. I agree with awesome999, and i like his take "Competition are just a way to show how much better people are than others." |
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" lol......what? Nothing I wrote is contradictory, yet again YOU have contradicted yourself and have further obfuscated whatever point you are attempting to make. Re-read my post and my example again.... I'll make it real simple here: do you agree with the OP (Ben_ taking part in a PoE competition is unfair and requires action) or do you agree that there is no issue here? In every one of your posts, you are writing BOTH of these things and then just kind of mixing and matching random thoughts together. I'm going to try and give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that English is not your native language here. Your posts are making no sense. Starting anew....with PoE 2 Last edited by cowmoo275#3095 on Aug 27, 2025, 12:07:53 PM
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" he makes sense to me. and your simple question is a ill-posed problem, because you making an assumption that a competition can be fair, which it cannot. but to answer your question about if action should be taken- since its quite literally a 'show', if competition is not entertaining it should be changed. |
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Enjoy the show and be happy there are players who put in the hours to develop their skills and also be rewarded for it. Why would he or anyone else just magically not be allowed to compete? The only argument in favor of a ban from competition would have to do with cheating.
Is there an argument brewing somewhere such that if "you" had X amount of hours, you would also practice and become godgamer, but because you don't, it's unfair that someone else does. If that's the case I have some news for you buddy, in the wise words of godgamer empyrean himself.. Or is this just about jealousy? That someone else other than you has been able to make a name for himself in a video game? He's not the only one, so I ask again, what the hell does ben got to do with this? Haven't you seen his twitch profile? It clearly says "just a gamer, trying to game". This is so ridiculous. I lose sanity every time I try to read something in this forum, I don't even know why I keep coming back, it's like an addiction like cigarettes or something. ughh... Last edited by AlvinL_#4492 on Aug 27, 2025, 1:39:06 PM
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" No it doesn't asssume "fairness" in any way....and its a freaking competition. Whether you view it as a "show" or not is irrelevent. It is a competition among players, with a prize for winning the competition. That is what it IS. The only thing at question is whether Ben_ (or any repeat winners) is a problem within the competition. Which it isn't. Because its a competition. We are talking about a competition. There will always be someone better than you. That someone might be better than you for a LONG time. That is not a problem with the competition, it is a problem with every single OTHER competitor simply not being good enough to dethrone the winner. Starting anew....with PoE 2 Last edited by cowmoo275#3095 on Aug 27, 2025, 1:25:55 PM
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