Soliving Trading issues. Price Fixing. While making more Money for the company.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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TheAinzSama#2333 wrote:

I think its just that our idea of what price fixing is differs.
I think price fixing where you have players post items for really low prices and never sell them. The goal is to confuse newer player of what the item actual price is so they would price it at same price as theirs or lower and what i am suggesting it should solve that issue.
Maybe price fixing for you is where players buy out items and then price them all at higher price and in this case. yes it does absolutely nothing

So.....price fixing has a very specific definition: it's not a matter of opinion where you can disagree with someone else on what it is. You are only looking at half of the process.

Price Fixing: Valuing an item AGAINST the market value to reduce competition and gain unfair economic advantage.


It is NOT price-fixing for someone to simply list their items at lower value to try and get something on the cheap. Nor does that effectively work the way you seem to think it does. It only BECOMES price-fixing if those people then also buy up the market and eventually sell the newly-restricted supply at a higher cost. Or multiple parties with a strong control over a market agree to raise prices together.

Our current system is actually the BEST way to avoid price-fixing, because bad actors who want to attempt to fully price-fix.....basically can't. And if they did, it would only last for a short time before the market re-corrects. Any automated system would make price-fixing EASIER and much harder to combat. It would speed up the second half of the price-fixing equation: buying up the entire supply to "control" it.

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TheAinzSama#2333 wrote:

What i am suggesting is for you as a player not to physically go and do the transaction yourself. You still have to invite the guy for trade. you still have set the prices. Even if does not fix Price Fixing, it still makes them jump through extra hoops.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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TheAinzSama#2333 wrote:

What i am suggesting is for you as a player not to physically go and do the transaction yourself. You still have to invite the guy for trade. you still have set the prices. Even if does not fix Price Fixing, it still makes them jump through extra hoops.

But it doesn't accomplish that. Exactly what extra hoops are they jumping through? Instead, you are REMOVING hoops that they already have to jump through, making it easier for them to scoop items.

If you "still have to invite the guy, still have to set the prices", what changed? The price fixer "selling an item" simply wouldn't invite you....much like they already do. The only thing your system actually changes is that you don't have to be physically present in the same area, which doesn't change any hoops at all....it only makes trade easier.

It literally doesn't address the problem you want it to address...at all.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

^that doesn't make any sense.....and its not trolling, I'm trying to get you to understand that your system literally doesn't make sense for what you want it to do. When someone points out the flaws in your idea, it isn't automatically trolling: its an opportunity to learn. The idea itself, despite its obvious extreme P2W bend, is fine: it just doesn't combat or do anything to price fixing.

I understand what you said: when one is invited to trade with you they have access to ALL the items you have up for trade. BUT the price fixer simply wouldn't sell more than the item they are trying to price fix. Why would they? And even if they were, they simply STILL wouldn't invite anyone as they are actively attempting the fix. It would have zero effect on them from this side.

And as already mentioned, price fixing is a two-prong attack: selling, but also BUYING items. The price fixer, under your system, would simply list the fixed item cheap, never invite anyone to trade on THEIR end, and go buy the supply easier from other people. It would be a net easier time for them, with absolutely no other change.

You seem to be under the impression that someone engaging in price fixing is engaging with the game as YOU would: listing hundreds of different items across multiple tabs at once. Why in the world would they do that? It would detract from the time they need to price fix lol. Plus, they wouldn't ever really have to micromanage their sales tabs.....they would only have to not invite people to trade with them. Which they already WOULDN'T do until they felt comfortable with the price fix. At which point, they would already have to micromanage and re-price the items they had just fixed.

Furthermore, anyone engaging in price fixes are already going to likely be on a throwaway account so that no one recognizes their username or account name.


There are numerous fundamental misunderstandings going on here that are inescapable:
1) Price fixing requires a LOT of dedicated and focused effort: price fixers, if that is their intention, are NOT trading other items. They have a singular focus. And they only act on ONE side of their equation at a time: you can't price fix effectively if you are constantly buying AND selling the items you are attempting to fix. You buy first, then sell in bulk. That is the ONLY way to price fix. You have to control the supply.

2) Price fixing acts on both the buying and the selling part of the market: making any one of these easier makes fixing easier.

3) Price fixers are NOT engaging with the game "normally". They are actively working AGAINST the normal market to gain a profit, which is incompatible with "normal" play and trade. They would never ever be doing BOTH simultaneously. And if they tried, they wouldn't ever be successful at price fixing anything.

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TheAinzSama#2333 wrote:

To be honest, you make it sound like you are one of those people that would price fix, stuff. It take one, to know one as people say. Way too much time on the forums, for someone who is supposedly playing poe. All jokes aside. I get it. You just hate to lose an argument. Price fixing isn't the main selling point of this idea. It is just a affecting it, at least it does not make it worse. What I care about is the convenience of my gameplay. You are fixating on things that does not matter. As I said earlier I got your points. The first time around. I agree with some of it but not all of it. I agree that current system does more for price fixing then I initially thought. But even then the rest of your arguments I find lacking for me.
I have no idea why that would be P2W ? who said the stall should be locked behind money ? I said cosmetics for the stall can be micro transactions after all devs don't work free.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate#2605 wrote:

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TheAinzSama#2333 wrote:

To be honest, you make it sound like you are one of those people that would price fix, stuff. It take one, to know one as people say. Way too much time on the forums, for someone who is supposedly playing poe. All jokes aside. I get it. You just hate to lose an argument. Price fixing isn't the main selling point of this idea. It is just a affecting it, at least it does not make it worse. What I care about is the convenience of my gameplay. You are fixating on things that does not matter. As I said earlier I got your points. The first time around. I agree with some of it but not all of it. I agree that current system does more for price fixing then I initially thought. But even then the rest of your arguments I find lacking for me.
I have no idea why that would be P2W ? who said the stall should be locked behind money ? I said cosmetics for the stall can be micro transactions after all devs don't work free.

And just like that, you torpedo 100% of your own credibility.

Saying Cow probably pricefixes just because they know enough about the game (and economics in general) to understand how it works is the literal definition of an ad hominem fallacy. We've explained to you, in extreme detail, why your system won't work to combat price fixing, and all you've had to say in your defense is "nuh uh!" while calling people pointing out flaws in your idea trolls.

You accuse people of fixating on things that don't matter when we are responding to your argument; you literally put 'Price fixing' in the thread title.

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