My 5090 will arrive too late :'( I will be in juice red maps too early

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Pashid#4643 wrote:

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

There's not a single GPU that hasn't resold. People always need one.

My old titan card would like to have a talk with you.
This gpu is just a dust collector within my closet after I took down my online listing after 2 1/2 of nothing. lol

That's sad to hear. The Titan RTX was a beast. Maybe you can repurpose it, perhaps build a streaming PC or something? Or a dedicated emulation rig.

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

First off, the GPU crisis was in 2020-2022 and not 2018. Second, you honestly seem to have zero idea. You may be collecting GPUs, but you seem to understand very little about the GPU market. I bet you overpaid for a lot of them, too. In the community, we call that the "ego tax".

Despite the challenges posed by COVID and the increased demand for hardware, 2020 still offered far more options than in previous years. So, perhaps it's best to step back if the full context isn’t clear.

As for my investments, I assure you I haven’t overpaid a single cent. Every purchase is made with careful consideration, ensuring I don’t settle for budget solutions that underperform, only to replace them later at a higher cost. Whether it's for my workspace or my gaming setup, the principles are the same. My hardware is a crucial tool for productivity, and every piece is selected to meet my exact needs, nothing more, nothing less. Over the years, these investments have consistently paid off in terms of both work and play, offering far more value than the initial cost. If you think that’s overspending, I’d say you’re missing the point. It’s about investing wisely for both efficiency and enjoyment, not about cheap compromises that ultimately waste both time and money.

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

Titan cards aren't meant for gaming, though. I was talking about gamers when I said that, not general use.

To be fair this card was quite fine for gaming back in the days. Just doesn't quite meet today's standards anymore with better and cheaper options being a thing.

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Ulsarek#7159 wrote:

That's sad to hear. The Titan RTX was a beast. Maybe you can repurpose it, perhaps build a streaming PC or something? Or a dedicated emulation rig.

Maybe, there's prob some old gpu and other stuff hidden somewhere in my closet.
good enough to stream at 1080p, or prob just to host a local server for something. Or well just be a old school emulator rig.

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

Every purchase is made with careful consideration, ensuring I don’t settle for budget solutions that underperform, only to replace them later at a higher cost.

This is the way. It doesn't apply to all products but there is a popular idiom: Buy cheap, buy twice. But I totally get it, fomo is a thing and some people just can't help themselves. Still, settling for a worse product only to replace it at a loss seems so insane to me.

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Sadaukar#2191 wrote:

I really hope u invested the same amount of money into a capable CPU, because that's much more important than the GPU for PoE.

Anyway, I think this thread belongs to the Offtopic section.

Oh yeah : it's quite sad how poorly both PoE1 and 2 are optimized CPU-wise.

It's very clear to me now that I upgraded from a RX 470 (4 Go) to a RX 9060 XT (16 Go) and it barely changed anything for PoE2 (and looks like PoE1 neither, but more testing is needed).

I would have thought that it would have been some game with a ridiculous number of entities that would make me think about upgrading my CPU (like Factorio : Space Age), but nope, looks like it will be PoE 2 !

(In some areas in the PoE2 campaign I have FPS dropping to 30-40 (even after shader calculations have finished) due to CPU according to graph, even when no enemies are around !?!)

P.S.: As a relevant counter-example, D4 was already smooth on medium settings (except in zone transitions, but that was fine), now it's smooth on max settings too. But then Blizzard is still known for caring about optimization (for their in-house titles at least), and, well, if dungeon runners were foods, D4 would be shallow candy...

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

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We're not in 2018 anymore, where hardware was in high demand and options were limited. It's 2025 now, and people have a lot more choices
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Midrange cards are now nearly two times more expensive though.

(And I'm not even sure whether low-end even exists any more outside of integrated and discrete Intel ??)

So I guess a bunch of people are going to be stuck having to use second-hand at best ?

Meanwhile I'm still rocking my Aorus GTX1080Ti...

Chain damage calculations on monsters is probably not parallelisable due to inherent dependencies as with a lot of other calculations. In this case, more cores isn't going to help because code is single-threaded (can only use 1 core).

I imagine when lots of stuff are exploding, you're bottlenecked by your maximum single-core performance for that calculation that must be run single-threaded.

It's always a good idea to watch out for single-threaded performance when buying hardware.

Hmm, now I'm confused :
PoE1 shows 28-30ms per frame for CPU in my PoE1 hideout,
while none of my cores are going over 65% in btop ?!?

So my bottleneck might actually be somewhere else ??

EDIT : Oh wait, was I stupid and didn't notice shaders being calculated ?
It's down to 18-19ms now.

Still the same thing for core utilization (average a bit lower now) - but what is bottlenecking me ?? (at 50 FPS now)

I'm saying that none of my cores are over 65%.



(Running PoE1 windowed, just to be sure, no framerate capping.)

(Also, kind of surprised the GPU would still be used so much.
But here too... 75% ?!? While only using 27% of maximum power ??)

P.S.: Maybe btop is as useless as the Windows whatever-its-name-was monitor for this : IIRC doesn't show properly when a single core is being maxed out because the core in question is constantly «jumping around» (for temperature spreading reasons), so the average looks less than 100% ?

EDIT : Yes, looks like this is what is going on, I can briefly see one core after another being pegged at 100% if I increase btop's polling to per 100ms :
EDIT 2 : better with animation (with a slight recording overhead) :


P.P.S:

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or change settings that impact CPU performance

And what settings would that be ?
I tried to find any in PoE2, there were none (except for Engine Multithreading, which of course significantly lowered performance when disabled).

I'm still enjoying my 1080ti