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The GGG / TenCent "Vision" Needs Glasses. (Video Act 3 Cruel Rootdredge v Cold Huntress)
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Here we go...
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2459612263 Pretty fair to say that this is not my best gameplay, lol. As I say in the vod, my build is a bit of a mess, because I changed to glacial lance just for this video, and I was getting the buttons a bit confused sometimes. Also you'll notice in the passive tree I got points in electrocute, whereas obviously freeze would be better; I really like the pressure points node for that, but Emboldened Avatar probably helps. Anyway, all of that reinforces my point; it's not like you need to be a gaming god or expert to get a little bit better. |
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" Your gear is also almost perfect for the char with cold on nearly every item. So either you are PHENOMENALLY lucky in drops, traded for the gear or crafted it at high level and handed down. Lets assume the you are super lucky. I have a spear with reduced attribute requirements, increased light radius and 126 max damage, and fire damage that I don't need. I have been unable to upgrade my spear since end of Act 1 Cruel because I have dropped literally 0 exalts and nothing better than what I have. Also maybe you dropped a tier 3 support gem before this? I dint get those until well into act 3 cruel. Given your use of Storm Lance and innervate and passive tree direction, its BLATANTLY obvious that you played lightning spear to get there. But OK, lets look at it. You use combat frenzy I use a charger. OK ... sure ... Since your spear has 65 more damage ceiling than mine you are handling the content easier. I didn't get handed down gear. I crafted everything by hand based on things I dropped in SSF up to that time. Also I played the skills that GGG wanted people to play and I have zero exalts, 50 transmutes and maybe 30 augments in the vaults. You engage Rootdredge at 7:41. Your Glacial lance didn't even affect him at all. You attempt to parry once and don't get the parry and then resort to storm lance by 8:41. You continually throw storm lance to clear the whites, because of the skill it bounces around in them and on average a single throw is needed to kill the whites. (Yes we know storm lance is one of the few skills that work.) You try one more parry at 9:40 and wait around, never get the parry and dodge roll out. At 09:44 you get your first parry of the fight and use fangs of frost for the first time. Now there are LOTS of mobs on the screen. You throw a glacial lance and follow up with sundering. Still lots of white on the screen. By 10:16 you are back to throwing storm lance because a number of hulks and zombies have been spawned. At 10:25 you effect kill. He doesn't drop a single exalt, nothing useful. That part is the same. So what did you prove? If you either trade, hand down gear or get phenomenally lucky you can have good gear. If you have good gear Rootdredge is easier. Even with good gear you resorted to lightning skills (known to be OP and on the nerf board) many times in order to clear the whites. You parried once in the whole fight and uses FoF 2 times. You used glacial lance, never tame beast (supposedly a focal point skill). Never culling strike. You killed rootdredge a lot faster than me. A lot more efficient than me. And in the process proved the point of the entire thread. Great video. P.S. I left the video running as I was fixing some typos and it went to your next video. Guess what. FULL BORE lightning spear storm lance. Also you show your stash stuffed to the top with high level gear and currency. OOPS, sort of blew the point there huh? I guessed as much, LOL. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2458579168 Last edited by Kraythax#2592 on May 15, 2025, 5:17:24 PM
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" Well, good job, you really responded almost exactly the way I thought you would. Instead of learning a single thing, you just looked for excuses. It's true that I have a bunch of hand-me-downs because it's over a month into the league and at this point I've leveled a bunch of characters and I'm always picking up random things and doing a little bit of crafting on them. You think that's uncommon? That there aren't a whole lot of people who have this level of loot at this point in the league? Is it your idea that the game is balanced around ssf? If you're trying to show the "true vision" of GGG, why don't you have an amount of loot that's common for this part of the league? This is pretty average for this late in the league. Also, I said that it's important to combine skills and I showed you a video where I'm freezing enemies with glacial lance and using elemental sundering to kill them off, and the lesson you learn from it is "glacial lance didn't even affect him at all". Elemental sundering sure chunked their health a few times though, didn't it? It's almost as though you're supposed to use the skills together as a combo! Who knew? It's not like we have literal in game videos telling you how the skills work together, right? What kind of genius expert god gamer would be able to piece this together? You'll also notice that I threw my glacial lances through the pack which included the boss, that surely helped compared with the way you threw spears off to the side. Even with terrible gear, you're going to kill the boss in half the time if you shoot through the pack instead of at a single monster or two off to the side. You're right that I didn't use parry that much in the Rootdredge fight, that was a bad piece of advice for this particular fight tbf, but not because you can't parry a group (which you can see earlier in this and other videos, I do that all the time). Instead it's because the zombies attack so slowly that you don't have any attacks to parry. What kind of argument is it to say that you can't use fangs of frost without parry when the goal of GGG is to get you to use a wider variety of skills? It's not like they want you to parry/fangs of frost in every situation; they want you to have it available as an ability to use, and to have other combos that work for other situations. The fact is, you used fangs of frost in a situation where it was inefficient to use. Whereas I realized this and stopped using it, you continued to use it throughout the fight in a manner that made no sense, as if that's some kind of proof that the skill needs a buff. Btw, it's lightning spear that's the OP meta build, not storm lance. Do you understand the combo that I was using? It's explosive spear followed by two storm lances; the explosive spear detonates the storm lances. Why do you think nerfs happen, my guy? It's not simply about trying to slow us down, it's about making it desirable to use more than one skill. The problem with lightning spear isn't simply that it's strong, it's that there's no point to using a follow up attack because once you've used it everything is already dead. Any kind of trick you use that is a combination of more than one skill is not the kind of thing they're going to nerf, so the explosive spear + storm lance combo is going to be fine. It seems like you're so against the vision that you've never attempted to understand what they were going for. It blows my mind that people are talking about the design of this game as deceptive when this is exactly the kind of game I was expecting based on what they said they were going for with PoE 2. PS: I love the way that you act as though me having a bunch of high level characters and tabs full of loot at this point in the league is some kind of gotcha. The reality is that you can see stuff like that because I'm making no effort to hide it, lol. I also love the fact that you watched just enough of one of my videos to catch me using lightning spear, but not enough to see me deciding that it was boring and going back to other skills. It probably wasn't easy to learn literally nothing here, but I guess you managed it, good job. " Idk how sincere you are when I think about it. Do my comments really come across as flaming? I was thinking maybe you're the kind of person that expects to be good at all games because you're good at one game, and I was trying to draw you out of that mindset, to get you to think a bit more critically about how you use the skills instead of just saying that somethings's bad because spamming isn't effective. However, I guess it might be the case that whereas I'm treating this as a conversation, you think it's some kind of game where you get your point across by whatever means necessary, even if it's intentionally having bad gameplay? Maybe taking every disagreement or demonstration of different techniques and so on as an insult is just how you think you can further your agenda, huh? But you know why I'm not worried? Because people at GGG have reading comprehension skills. No one with half a brain is going to look at your video and think that it's representative of typical gameplay at this point in the league. Last edited by Kalistri#2788 on May 16, 2025, 12:48:18 AM
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You used gear including a spear that had 40 more damage that couldn't possibly be had by an average player to defeat Rootdredge, used lighting skills which are known to be the few that work properly and claim that anyone with half a brain knows this proves its all fine?
You proved it isnt working fine. With your following video you proved the only way to play the game is to use meta skills (that they nefed in 0.2.0 and will nerf again in 0.3.0) and only a couple builds that work. Do I think a player should be able to pick up the game, look for skills that are designed for synergy (Parry and FoF or Culling Strike and Glacial Lance) and play the game through without having to be phenomenally lucky or trade for gear while still in the campaign? Uhh .... Yeah. And the NUMBERS of players lost, as well as other posts in this thread prove most people agree with me. So enjoy your lightning builds until GGG nerfs them. When they are done nerfing everyone will look like my playthrough; because that is what they WANT. Because I intentionally designed that playthrough to be "The Vision". I didn't design it to be the meta super build. I designed it to expose "the Vision" to the players so that they can say "no way!!!" and GGG can fix it before it is too late. With POE1 you can pick up almost any skill, focus on it, build around it with no guide and get to endgame in a reasonable time. Cobra lash, molten strike, splitting steel, name it. In POE2 only a few builds actually work and everything else is 'broken' according to the players but according to GGG only the builds we think work are broken. There is the philosophy difference. As usual thanks for the bump. You seriously proved the point of the thread and I appreciate it. |
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Well the post have a point.
For someone who is dependent early game and don't want to use the trade to get items . The game is unhelpfully atm . You cant push yourself forward unless you get lucky with alchemy orb drop or 1 exalt and try through the trade to find a suitable weapon . The game currently drop items and everything super randomly and none of the items can be useful for the character. Second point if you are in a party and you kill a boss you get very limited of items that is not enough to cover all players in the party !! |
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Actually prefer this but better be a guarantee divine drop after the kill.
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" Agreed. That's how I played at the start of this league and the start of last league. At this point, like many people, I've gained a bunch of loot and can make things like that work even better for me. I don't know what you think you're proving by playing in a way that's less optimal than how most people play the game. " Yeah PoE 2 losing more players than PoE 1 has ever had definitely shows that it's unpopular /s. Don't think the devs are ever going to see it that way. This is just the same thing that has happened with every PoE league since forever, and I've been around long enough to see people citing it as "proof" that this or that league is the death knell for GGG over and over. " I appreciate that you weren't trying to make a super meta build, but you went too far in the other direction and made something that no one would be playing at this point in the league unless they started late. This proves nothing. Then you applied PoE 1 logic where you should be using PoE 2 logic, and called anyone who gave you constructive criticism a flamer. Everyone already knows what the vision is dude; some people just understand it better because they actually enjoy it. Maybe you skimmed what I said, but I have very little interest in lightning spear while it's so strong. I tried it for a bit, but I stopped because it feels like there's no reason to use it together with other skills. Imho, ideally it would be a good way to shock (or maybe electrocute?) enemies but not a good way to kill things so you can follow up with other skills like primal strikes or elemental sunder. If it was similar to glacial lance, where it doesn't actually kill things but it's good for setting up other attacks, you wouldn't have to dishonestly cherry pick the short portion of one of my videos where I use lightning spear. " Kinda. I mean, the mindset of picking a single skill and building around it is exactly what GGG wanted to get away from. This isn't something they were deceptive about in the slightest; they specifically said that this is why they're allowing up to 6 sockets for all skills (including the skill itself). Every showcase about how skills work both in youtube videos they posted and in the in game tutorial videos shows them using skills in combination with each other. So it's true that you don't simply pick up a skill and focus on it in PoE 2, because it should work cohesively with the other skills you're using. When you talk about your build in PoE 2 you shouldn't be saying "I have a fangs of frost build"; you should be refencing the combos that you use. As time goes by and they add more skills we'll have more and more ways to do that. This is exactly what I want out of the game. You trying to treat the game like PoE 1 instead of playing it like PoE 2 only demonstrates that you haven't adapted. My highest level character this league is in t15s rn, they're using glacial lance/ele sunder for clearing, along with the occasional parry/FoF/disengage for when I get swarmed, and also for some bossing, depending on whether I can parry the safely. I also have a quarterstaff to swap to where I can use tempest flurry and tempest bell, and I have explosive spear as well; when I fight bosses I'll try to spawn the bell and then get all three elements on it. So what do you think? Does that sound like something GGG is going to want to nerf? No? I guess the vision works for me then. " No problem, if you ever want to act like a person rather than clickbait I'm happy to have a conversation. In the meantime I'm pretty sure anyone who looks in this thread can see you saying things like this and figure out how dishonestly you're acting in this thread. Last edited by Kalistri#2788 on May 16, 2025, 3:11:37 AM
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