The Vision is TRASH.

Leveling up take a god awful long time in this game, worse than poe1, and they still want to penalize your experience for death.

In poe1, the problem is bad enough that services such as 5 ways exist (it exist because death penalty is a problem, and leveling time too). If you run 8 mods map at 10mins, at lvl 98-99-100you probably get 1-1+% experience per map, which means it requires approx 16 maps for a 10% increase, 160 maps for a level up. 18 maps is about 3 hours. You lose about 2 hours of playtime everytime you die.

(Please don't come and say "play more efficiently", then you're 100% abused brainwashed that you think proper gaming is 100% min/maxxing efficiency brainless grind)

In Poe2??? It's arguably fucking worse. I dunno, a map is 20 mins at least, it takes forever to level up, and GGG still thinks about how the players should be penalized? Is losing the loot(if there is!) not penalty enough? 160 maps at 20mins each for 98-100?? God help me.

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Death Experience Penalty does nothing but wastes player's time, just as GGG does nothing but wastes time on thinking on how to punish the players while making the levelling experience as miserable as possible.

Cut back to Last Epoch, within 20 hours im already out of campaign and into Monolith(mapping), in 30 hours Im already lvl 75, fighting pinnacles soon. In poe2, it's 65 hours in, and Im nowhere close gathering enough fragments for Breach or anything. Not enough currency to really try crafting big, still have to rely on Gamble at level 86.

30 hours in LE, I have enough materials to try crafting some decent gears for my characters, even if I fail, I don't have to worry about being broke, because I know the materials can be grinded pretty consistently. There are progression I can aim for, room I can experiment with because I'm not poor like in poe2. There's a lot of things LE can still be improved for, but their design vision isn't cancerous like GGG. Never once I feel like this developer is trying to waste my time with some stupid penalty. Loot drops are so imbalanced that you kept on getting some lvl16 skill gems, meanwhile 100 hours at level 90 and people still doesn't even get Greater Jeweller Orb, at t15 6mods with rarity, and they still drop you a fucking Regal SHARDS.

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In poe2, every map they just want you to grind for what is just morsels of breadcrumbs. GGG love nothing more than to see the players wail in poverty.

Jonathan once said they want players to spend about 1 month in poe league, but he can't even say how long he expects people to finish poe2 campaign.... that's because he doesnt play it himself, it's your time he is wasting, not his.
Even Dark Souls doesn't penalize and waste the player's time like poe2. If I beat a boss, there is a definite clear loot, if I die, I lose nothing if I had levelled up, that's why the souls formula work, but not this. It also doesn't take forever to level up in Souls, if a player is weak, they can compensate for overlevelling to tackle the challenges, but not here.

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The sad part is, Poe2 underlying gameplay mechanics is better than all it's peers, it's movement, feedback and responsiveness. Unfortunately, it's held back by some CANCEROUS VISION that spends way too much time in thinking on how to punish the players rather than letting them have more fun by removing exp penalty and adding way more loot.

Just wanted to add.... I'm the TARGET AUDIENCE, yes I love the ideas of combos and all that, upgrades from from 1 button gameplay. Everything from the idea sounds so cool, the only arpg that progresses beyond that one button zoom zoom brainless gameplay. I really wanted to love this.

But not like this, not this pathetic miserable, time wasting cancerous vision.

I'm confused, if you want to play LE and you don't want to play POE2, what is stopping you from playing LE? You do have the right to choose to play LE if that is what you want. You are not obligated to play POE2 if you don't want to.

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EllyParis#5023 wrote:

I'm confused, if you want to play LE and you don't want to play POE2, what is stopping you from playing LE? You do have the right to choose to play LE if that is what you want. You are not obligated to play POE2 if you don't want to.

Op wants to play PoE, obviously. But the state of the game is so poor, it drives ppl away, thus they play something else like LE.
And there, ppl see how it could be done. While most ppl agree that it does not have to be like LE, the point is, it should not be like it is in PoE2 0.2.0.

Hell, PoE2 wastes your time so hard, that even the PoE2 chills camp the forum instead of actually playing it...

They should give character experience per post on the forum kapp. It still won't help with leveling up much.

Sacred 2 is 15 years old game and had handled survival much better than poe. Instead of alienating everyone with exp rollback (which feels undeserved BS most of the time due to poor visibility in poe), Sacred 2 had survival bonus, which slowly increases the longer you kill stuff without dying, and is reset on death.

That survival bonus increased all character attributes by growing percentage, and increased level of all monsters/bosses globally + level of loot. So basically if you play better, you get a glimpse into higher tier content, and get good loot faster, which is real incentive to not get killed. But if you die you still keep the backbone of your progression.

I also want to play Last Epoch but i only have an Xbox otherwise i would delete POE2 till it feels like it was in 0.1 and after they destroyed my builds with the season nerves patch i still probably would play LE because it left me so angry and salty that i lost all love i had for the game or respect for the developers. I found it extremely disrespectful how they destroyed everyones build from 0.1, so yeah respect others if you expect the same.

yeah the Vision it's horrible to put it in polite words...

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

Hell, PoE2 wastes your time so hard, that even the PoE2 chills camp the forum instead of actually playing it...

Guy, come on. You're better than this. You're here every night slagging off a game you don't even play I don't think you really want to play the "whose wasting their time on the forums" game do you?

Honestly if a few more of you folks would just go enjoy LE and maybe come back later and see if PoE2 is more to your liking instead of hanging out here constantly yelling about how awful this game is I might feel less compelled to pop in between maps and make sure they know that there are people who don't agree with you.

I think there is just this thought in the back of our heads - what if PoE 2 was never a thing to begin with and instead PoE 1 continued making quality and interesting leagues. It's just frustrating in the end how things turned out.

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Kerchunk#7797 wrote:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

Hell, PoE2 wastes your time so hard, that even the PoE2 chills camp the forum instead of actually playing it...

Guy, come on. You're better than this. You're here every night slagging off a game you don't even play I don't think you really want to play the "whose wasting their time on the forums" game do you?

Honestly if a few more of you folks would just go enjoy LE and maybe come back later and see if PoE2 is more to your liking instead of hanging out here constantly yelling about how awful this game is I might feel less compelled to pop in between maps and make sure they know that there are people who don't agree with you.

Or in other words, "I need to leave the game as often as I can to argue against everything that's not glazing PoE2". Mkay.