Create a permanent league for Ruthless

Yes that is true, should be happening very shortly as I believe Phrecia ends in the next 24 hours. It may be a good way to test. I didn't think Ruthless was available for Phrecia, but looks like it is, so will try to test it.

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So if the character dies, it shows up greyed out in the character list as void league. This may be what OP is referring to, the character becoming useless.

Phrecia is set to end at 20:00 UTC, which is in 14hours. I will try to test it, though my character list is full and I may forget, so if anyone else wants to test it as well that would be helpful.

Another way of finding out might be to ask people in thees leagues through general chat if they know. People in ruthless are usually pretty helpful if you can find anyone who is playing. I'm sure regular HC ruthless league players, and standard ruthless players know what happens with the migrations as there has been quite a few leagues now.

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First of all, thank you all for a fantastic and substantive discussion and I will now allow myself to address it 😊 🥂

What I meant was that if a character survives, is it transferred to the Ruthless Permanent league instead of the Void league ?

In a few past leagues or events, it happened that even if a character survived, it still ended up in the Void league—meaning you couldn’t play it anymore.

As for Challenge leagues, my friends who play Ruthless assured me that, by default, characters that survive in such leagues are transferred to the standard Ruthless league and can still be played afterward.

So to sum it up: a character that you play in a Ruthless Challenge league—in our case, that would be Pherecia Ruthless, either Softcore or Hardcore—if it survives and the league ends, it will be moved to its corresponding Ruthless Permanent league and can still be played there.

Here is a link to the PoE Wiki where is clearly describe what is the Challenge, Permanent, Event, Temporary, Standard league etc.

Yes, quite often the events get voided. You might of played the ruthless with gold event which did get voided. Phrecia is not voided and parented by settlers league, which is good. I think the most recent gauntlet also did not get voided, so it seems to be on a case by case basis at the moment.

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As for Challenge leagues, my friends who play Ruthless assured me that, by default, characters that survive in such leagues are transferred to the standard Ruthless league and can still be played afterward.

Yes that sounds correct to me. I am not 100% certain for ruthless HC because I have not played, but in non-HC it did appear things were getting migrated when the leagues ended. I don't see a reason why it would be different.

I have re-read the text I quoted form the league page and it seems to fit with what you are saying. It specifically says "certain event" and "end of the event". So being that normal leagues are not events, and Phrecia is not a voided event, it would seem like it will migrate as normal. Let us know how it goes if you have a ruthless character migrating. It's only 9 hours away, so I might put one on to see it work anyway.

Good luck with converting any Phrecia characters to normal ascendancies, hopefully you have a good plan for that. Something I can also advise is having legacy corrupted maps available in ruthless standard for atlas catchup. It may not be necessary for this one since there are not going to be atlas changes, but loosing all the atlas progress in Ruthless is not fun. May be more relevant for release of 3.26, holding onto legacy settlers maps if you are going to play in standard.

Yeah, my most advanced Phrecia characters are screwed - relying heavily on something you could only do with the alternate ascendancies was the point after all ! (Sad, but expected.)

My Affliction Ruthless Trade Softcore characters were migrated to Standard Ruthless Trade Softcore.
My Necropolis Ruthless SSF Softcore characters were migrated to Standard Ruthless SSF Softcore.
My alive (and IIRC dead) Autumn 2024 Gauntlet Settlers Bench SSF Hardcore characters were weirdly migrated to Standard Bench SSF Softcore rather than the expected parent Settlers Bench SSF Softcore.

Currently all my Phrecia character appear to be waiting for migration. I'm not sure how long it usually takes, but seem to remember for necro/settlers people were saying it was taking some time. So they are temporarily unplayable, but hopefully not for too long.

The mouse over on the migrate all button for them says migrate to "base league".

Nearly 24 hours after the end, my characters still show up as SSF R Phrecia.
I guess that GGG slowly migrates them (and stash) over the course of several days, so as to not over-stress servers ?

I assume that by 'base', they mean 'parent' ? "League Migrations" button
('»' bottom-center left of the panel)
shows that pour SSF R Phrecia "parent league" is SSF R Settlers.

I also completely forgot about the idols in my map device X'D :
as I have heard idols in general didn't disappear on migration,
(who knows when they might go core ??)
we'll see how much attention GGG is paying to PoE1,
depending on whether they just disappear or end up in special remove-only tabs...
(What happens to Sanctum Relics ?)

Same for me. I asked some questions about migration timeline on the gameplay section, apparently it can sometimes take days.

I also asked if doing a manual migration can speed it up. Apparently it can. I don't know if there is any downside to doing it. I assume it is a queue and people who use the manual migration are prioritised if that is the case.

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as I have heard idols in general didn't disappear on migration

I see. I thought they were being removed, but also have read a lot of conflicting information about the migration in the gameplay section for what did and didn't get carried over.

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(What happens to Sanctum Relics ?)

I think they will carry over since sanctum is core.

I've just done a manual migration of my Phrecia characters and will list the results. The automatic migration had not occurred yet. Manual migration happened instantly.

Legaues migrated.

HCSSF Ruthless Phrecia > HCSSF Ruthless Settlers

HCSSF Phrecia > HCSSF Settlers (Empty environment)

Precia > Settlers (Populated environment)


It looks like everything has transferred across, with one exception that I have seen. Some things I checked that seem to have come across. Atlas progress and watchstones. Delve progress, sulphite, azurite. Idols, I believe the idols in the device came across, though I didn't check it specifically, I just have a remove only tab. Sanctum relics. Settlers town progress, materials and workers. Unsure about pending rewards for mapping/shipping or items in the disenchanter as I can not remember if there was any pending. Character skill trees seems have remained the same, with an allocated ascendance, that has no allocated ascendancy points, but is allowing them to be added, without being in the lab. I assume since none are selected, the ascendancy class can be changed, but may need to be done in the lab.

The one exception from the above seems to be when migrating into the populated league. Where is looks for some things like it might select the higher of the two progress. Some things, like delve and settlers materials have been added together. I think there are exceptions though. I think delve progress takes the chart that has progressed more. Another thing was the pool of settler workers. I'm not sure exactly how this works. I tried to screen shot the numbers before the migration, but have noticed that they may already of been maxed out, possibly because of previous necro/settlers migration. My population was at 100/90, which I don't think can happen normally. After the migration it was still at 100/90, so I don't think further workers came across during the migration, possible because the population was already above the maximum.