Worth it to keep playing PoE 1?

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ShadyC#1006 wrote:
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Classic "I don't like it == it's bad" fallacy. People are more different than you seem to think. They enjoy very different things. Not everyone needs 100+ div worth of gear in order to have fun.
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ShadyC#1006 wrote:
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Classic "I don't like it == it's bad" fallacy. People are more different than you seem to think. They enjoy very different things. Not everyone needs 100+ div worth of gear in order to have fun.



Versus your "blah blah blah, everyone is different, which means nothing is ever truly bad because somebody likes it this way" argument. See how this works both ways? You don't have a monopoly on dismissive reduction.
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ShadyC#1006 wrote:
Versus your "blah blah blah, everyone is different, which means nothing is ever truly bad because somebody likes it this way" argument. See how this works both ways? You don't have a monopoly on dismissive reduction.


He's right, though. A LOT(!) of people like to test out new farming strats, see what works for them and grind. Grinding currency to craft or trade are both fun options for a lot of players. Some players even find it very fun to trade.

You like to find your own upgrades - which is totally fine. You see that as a better direction for the game - which is also fine. But don't think for one second that all players do. PoE has moved further and further from "finding your own gear" for the last ten years, and it has only grown in size.

You do seem a little bit stuck in your own little bubble. "The game would've been better off focusing more on standard. Focusing more on item drops/upgrades. Focusing less on leagues" or whatever. And while that is probably true for you, subjectively, I'm pretty certain it isn't for the majority.
Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile.
My "thing" is just that I don't want to start over every few months. Most PEOPLE agree with that. Most PoE players may not agree with that, but that's a self-fulfilling prophecy, because here we are, in the PoE forums.

Maybe you underestimate how many would-be players there are.
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Glorfndel01#6465 wrote:
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ShadyC#1006 wrote:
My "thing" is just that I don't want to start over every few months. Most PEOPLE agree with that. Most PoE players may not agree with that, but that's a self-fulfilling prophecy, because here we are, in the PoE forums.

Maybe you underestimate how many would-be players there are.


So having made known you feel PoE1 is a lousy game and you don't like the league format, why are you here?



Well obviously to express that I think it could be a lot better.

Obviously.

Next question.
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I'm certainly still playing and may even get a character to 100 in settlers. I am still having fun so I keep playing.


This.

I have been playing POE for over a decade. I will continue to play POE1 until I don't find it fun anymore. Haven't hit that point yet. And I won't go back to POE2 until they add Acts 4-6 and implement another way to get Ascendencies. Right now, that part is complete garbage IMO.
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ShadyC#1006 wrote:
My "thing" is just that I don't want to start over every few months. Most PEOPLE agree with that.


I mean if most would agree to that standard would be more alive, yet here we are in a game that survived the last decade only thanks to fresh leagues and people coming back to a fresh start.

It may be not your thing to start all over again each new league, but that's what you have standard for, a place where you can progress on your own pace.
Drawback it's kinda dead mainly due to the fact that the majority of players are just league players, along with the game being purely balanced around seasons rather than "long term" like mmorpg style.

Maybe just maybe if even standard isn't good enough for your needs, it's time to seek for a different game. With millions of games on the market there is surely something out to hit your interests more.
Flames and madness. I'm so glad I didn't miss the fun.
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I recently had a new POE1 player invited on my friend's list and helped them along the way with some starter gear, currency, third party resource tips (POB, maxroll, etc.), and various gameplay questions.

They got to mapping a week ago using an iceshot deadeye build from maxroll and performed fairly well. I did some mapping with them and they got to around yellow maps when running solo now.

Inevitably the question from them came up of "so how do I find better gear? what do I keep?" and I just responded with "you don't, this game is made for degen basement goblins who treat it like their job" followed by "you can pick up 1000 rare weapons from the ground and they will be laughably bad" (beyond the starter endgame bow I made him) and similar blunt factual statements.

He replied with "really?" and I said "really" and then directed him to download and install filterblade, at which point I told him that all the rare items that DO show up after filtering ARE still worthless and pointless to pick up. I also told him it's safe to ignore all unique drops too, such that only currency matters. I think the message got through to him that there is no endgame in POE1 (or POE2 for that matter) for a player like him, who probably plays 1/10 of what I do and I consider myself "casual", and his interest to continue playing rapidly dropped off now.

So back to the OP if someome asks "is it to worth it to keep playing POE1?" I answer with "if you aren't the target nolifer market, then no there isn't much beyond the surface to enjoy here".

The character/build customization is great but there is zero endgame reward loop for those who don't want to treat it like a job. Having a probability approaching zero of finding an "off the ground" upgrade in an ARPG is criminal, even when your current gear would be rated by most streamer folk as "wtf dude that is so bad!". Crafting currency beyond the super basics like alch and regal orbs are way too rare for a game that prides itself on crafting instead of finding gear.

If someone is interested in getting deeper into POE1 and they go to streamer videos, or even worse streamer compilation videos (e.g. exiled again on youtube), then oh boy they are in for a rude awakening. Such videos are so incredibly skewed against what the player's reality will be. They will find endless mountains of garbage playing, day after day.


+1 man, sums up one of my biggest gripes with poe; You're not playing the game and killing monsters for loot, you're doing it for currency to buy the loot.

Hell you're not even crafting the loot lmao, good luck affording split beasts / imprint beast / locks / dozens of meta crafts + harvest crafts ect.

Is poe2 perfect in this regard? Naw, but it's a helluva lot better. I'm constantly picking up ground loot in hopes of good rolls, and with the .2 updates I can focus on trying to actually use omens / greater essences / fractured orbs / recomb. And without scours and alts, ground loot still matters 100%. Add in that the over 100+ uniques just in this update are focused on mid and late game and I think it'l really feel like you're playing the game for actual gear and loot, not just currency to buy it.
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ShadyC#1006 wrote:

Maybe you underestimate how many would-be players there are.


Lmfao
Mash the clean
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Pashid#4643 wrote:
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ShadyC#1006 wrote:
My "thing" is just that I don't want to start over every few months. Most PEOPLE agree with that.


I mean if most would agree to that standard would be more alive, yet here we are in a game that survived the last decade only thanks to fresh leagues and people coming back to a fresh start.

It may be not your thing to start all over again each new league, but that's what you have standard for, a place where you can progress on your own pace.
Drawback it's kinda dead mainly due to the fact that the majority of players are just league players, along with the game being purely balanced around seasons rather than "long term" like mmorpg style.

Maybe just maybe if even standard isn't good enough for your needs, it's time to seek for a different game. With millions of games on the market there is surely something out to hit your interests more.



I'm pretty over this "discussion," but please don't misrepresent or debate in bad faith.

Standard is lackluster. Just because it doesn't reset doesn't mean it's the perfect & ideal game mode for people that don't want to reset on Leagues. The plentiful issues that Standard has keeps people away from Standard, and thus the game as a whole.




As my fanboy quoted before giving the ever-so-insightful "lmfao" reply:

Do not underestimate the amount of would-be players.




BUT, I digress. I don't really care what the people here say. You'll shout from the upper deck "LONG LIVE POE" long after the ship has already sunk. Or, well, maybe "blurgle blurgle" instead, but you get the idea.

PoE is like WoW; it had a strong start, and it's been riding its own coattails this whole time, despite having been on a decline the entire time. It could have been so much more. But it shoots itself in the foot constantly, and with support from the community the whole way. Remember: For every PoE player that says "it's better now than it ever has been," there's a WoW player saying the same thing.

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