are we the boomers for preferring PoE1 ?

no

theres no corelation

its a preference.

tho i would argue that boomers would tend to prefer standard over temp league.

i could be wrong tho.

i regard myself as a boomer. most of my friends do tend to prefer permanency somewhat. but we do delve into temp leagues IF we think we can make a lot of divs to bring back to std.

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teksuoPOE#2987 wrote:

i think the vast majority prefers poe2.

only seen ben_ and pohx being visibly emotionally tied to poe1

kinda reminds me of mr.llama and diablo2 ;)

I get this same vibe tbh.

Change is hard for some people, I think Ben's reasons are mostly just early access/beta issues a few dumb choices and some stuff that's just what he is used to that are different in 2.

I agree with Mrllama's takes on POE1 myself. Its just that I can enjoy space ship shooter combat at times and as long as I don't think too much about it everything else in POE1 can be coped with while hoping the Dev's figure out their mistakes and fix them in 2.

Which to be fair they've done a lot of in the campaign.

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sjeshin#3367 wrote:

POE1 players are people that like a complicated game that takes a long time to learn with a ton of stuff to try out. Especially once you learn crafting and remember hideout is lava, this game is just a blast. It burns out before the league is over, but there really are some good things they could do to fix this.

POE2 players are people who don't understand what adding a horse to a game means for the game. They don't understand a company not respecting their time because they don't play a game enough for it to impact them in any meaningful way.

Your typical POE2 player would never have spent enough money over the years on POE1 to get free access to POE2. They either don't spend that much on games or don't play any game consistently.

POE2 is build in its bones from the ground up to artificially inflate your playtime by wasting it doing things like running, clicking wells, sorting through a "bases" tab, or spending forever trading.

You're just making up a cope story for why some people like 2 more. Not sure why you're implying POe2 enjoyers "don't understand what adding a horse to the game means".

I would expect someone who likes POE2's wider skill design space, slower pacing, and less dumpsters of loot to have a BETTER appreciation of game design than someone who prefers 1button zoom, loot pinata "the filter told me to pick it up" mode.

The kicker is when you then go on to clearly not understand the design goals of things that add weight and friction to the world that are meant to make the world feel more authentic or immersive by having real world parallels. You see them as time wasters. A game designer sees them as things that psychologically trick your mind into being immersed more.

Take a game that removes lots of the things that even POE1 has that can be seen as "artificial inflation".

Diablo 4...

Why do you play POE1 instead D4? It clearly has less "artificial inflation"? It has mounts "so you don't have to run everywhere". What were you saying about adding a horse?

I like Poe2 more because i dont really like the speed on poe1, and i like poe in general more than diablo because it has way more customization than diablo, so it all comes to personal preferences, i could say the same with every genre why i like one game more than other, and others might like what i dislike, which is totally fine.

However when we have these discussions like fanboys from one game saying or trying to make everyone like or dislike what they do, is when things go wrong

I'll keep playing both I just wish there were separate forums at this point.

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ladish#6213 wrote:

I'll keep playing both I just wish there were separate forums at this point.

There is. PoE2 fanboys just keep crowding PoE1 forums. Wonder why.

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ladish#6213 wrote:

I'll keep playing both I just wish there were separate forums at this point.

There is. PoE2 fanboys just keep crowding PoE1 forums. Wonder why.

Yeah there's an early access (mostly feedback) subsection for poe2, but I meant a completely separate forum attached to https://pathofexile2.com.

At this point poe1/poe2 communities here is like a divorced couple still living together after 6 months of seething unresolved resentment.

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alhazred70#2994 wrote:

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teksuoPOE#2987 wrote:

I get this same vibe tbh.

Change is hard for some people, I think Ben's reasons are mostly just early access/beta issues a few dumb choices and some stuff that's just what he is used to that are different in 2.

I agree with Mrllama's takes on POE1 myself. Its just that I can enjoy space ship shooter combat at times and as long as I don't think too much about it everything else in POE1 can be coped with while hoping the Dev's figure out their mistakes and fix them in 2.

Which to be fair they've done a lot of in the campaign.

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Idk others reasons but nope in general to be honest.

For me its clearly because of fails this game design has.
1) Crafting progress is non existent - I didnt like POE 1 gamblin and dont like it even here, it's worse and it's due to limits of way to get items even more visible
(PoE 1 have many way to lessen needs of gamble crafting tho..)

2) Diversity build - Yes i wrote diversity. In PoE 1 it was link limitation on armor but you have freedoom in what to build.
If they didn't want to do "shooting game" like in current zooming of PoE 1, they could simple lock just a few gems but they made same rule for all.

In this case idk how it will be when rest of gems will be out but it will still apply that only one of skill will be useable for endgame loop and rest will be useless.

Now it's even hard to make proper various gem build if it's something close to abuse meta. (and balancing wont solve it if you nerf their properites due to overpower of meta builds..)

3) Endgame loop - It's more annoying than on paper. But yes you could live with that but i would rather not have "random/gabmling influence of towers" but exact numbers in "CIRCLE" as they intended to do with range of tower influence.

But that's not that worse point. From what i have seen when i've played or seen others, thing is that more fun endgame loop starts when you suffer trough all 1-13 tiers of the game where is mostly empty and hollow mapping.. Others special parts like Deli, Breach, Expi, Ritual giving something more special or shards in general is starting from Tier 14..

Secondly Endgame bosses are locked purely on tier 15. Why not give opportunity to rest ? Even if they would have worse dps if they would learn mechanics they could try it defeat it.. - It's limitation and quite big i would say.

4) If PoE 2 intented to be slower or different from PoE 1 then they did horrible work to be honest.
As builds of others shows, it going to be classic Zooming of PoE 1 if they won't tweak it and eventually almost no difference between games but due to these 3 points above.

You will never fully bring fanst of PoE 1 to the Game...
(and rest which excepted Diablo 1/2 or other slower but more complex aprgs like Grimd Dawn or Titan quests ? Same.)

Booming and Zooming is something which make cause fullfill dopamine but shouldn't be main way to progress in the game and restrict player of having fun.

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Rikku#7536 wrote:

Not really, aside from grafics and campaign poe1 is just the better game currently.
They worked only 3 months on poe2 endgame (according to "A message to poe1 players") and you can really feel it.

Poe2 will get there, eventually, but that'll take a few years

How dare you make a sensible post during the PoE vs PoE2 war that is going on right now!

Just the youth today, being vaine and superficial, valuing looks at graphics too much. Does the fact that I don't value looks and graphics too much, but rather value gameplay and depth, make me a boomer? I can live with that (and while I'm old, I'm not that old, if we were to follow the definition of a "boomer").

PoE 2 is in my eyes for the more casual gamer that just wants to play. PoE 1 is for the gamer that in addition to play, wants to think, build and experiment. The gaming landscape should be big enough for both types of players, so both games should be supported.