One Death Maps is a monumental failure.

I said this somewhere else before, but they should do what they did with pinnacle bosses;

6 portals for white maps (tier 1-5)
3 portals for yellow maps (tier 6-10)
1 portal for red maps (tier 11+)

The reason for this is to get you geared up and used to mapping. By the time you get to red maps, you should have resistances capped and have no issue surviving, even on SSF.

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peter1990ex#0531 wrote:

I said this somewhere else before, but they should do what they did with pinnacle bosses;

6 portals for white maps (tier 1-5)
3 portals for yellow maps (tier 6-10)
1 portal for red maps (tier 11+)

The reason for this is to get you geared up and used to mapping. By the time you get to red maps, you should have resistances capped and have no issue surviving, even on SSF.

I have sort-of mixed feelings about that. It would be a great learning curve for a smoother introduction to the game for the newer players without really impacting the more experienced ones, but it also adds similar economic incentive to down tiering to do bonus mechanics as the devs are concerned about regarding their preference of allowing the use of a new waystone to re-attempt a map's untouched mechanics.

I get that in this case its more like an insurance policy than a bonus loot printer, so its not the same degree, but at the same time I feel like there shouldn't be incentive to encourage players to dial back their difficulty for any reason other than persistently struggling.

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Bigwilleh#1842 wrote:

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peter1990ex#0531 wrote:

I said this somewhere else before, but they should do what they did with pinnacle bosses;

6 portals for white maps (tier 1-5)
3 portals for yellow maps (tier 6-10)
1 portal for red maps (tier 11+)

The reason for this is to get you geared up and used to mapping. By the time you get to red maps, you should have resistances capped and have no issue surviving, even on SSF.

I have sort-of mixed feelings about that. It would be a great learning curve for a smoother introduction to the game for the newer players without really impacting the more experienced ones, but it also adds similar economic incentive to down tiering to do bonus mechanics as the devs are concerned about regarding their preference of allowing the use of a new waystone to re-attempt a map's untouched mechanics.

I get that in this case its more like an insurance policy than a bonus loot printer, so its not the same degree, but at the same time I feel like there shouldn't be incentive to encourage players to dial back their difficulty for any reason other than persistently struggling.

What bonus mechanics? There's only one Waystone. If they fail 6 times on a white map, it counts as a failed map and all the map bonuses disappear. I don't understand how this could be abused. We have 6 portals in PoE1. It would literally work the exact same way.

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peter1990ex#0531 wrote:

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Bigwilleh#1842 wrote:

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peter1990ex#0531 wrote:

I said this somewhere else before, but they should do what they did with pinnacle bosses;

6 portals for white maps (tier 1-5)
3 portals for yellow maps (tier 6-10)
1 portal for red maps (tier 11+)

The reason for this is to get you geared up and used to mapping. By the time you get to red maps, you should have resistances capped and have no issue surviving, even on SSF.

I have sort-of mixed feelings about that. It would be a great learning curve for a smoother introduction to the game for the newer players without really impacting the more experienced ones, but it also adds similar economic incentive to down tiering to do bonus mechanics as the devs are concerned about regarding their preference of allowing the use of a new waystone to re-attempt a map's untouched mechanics.

I get that in this case its more like an insurance policy than a bonus loot printer, so its not the same degree, but at the same time I feel like there shouldn't be incentive to encourage players to dial back their difficulty for any reason other than persistently struggling.

What bonus mechanics? There's only one Waystone. If they fail 6 times on a white map, it counts as a failed map and all the map bonuses disappear. I don't understand how this could be abused. We have 6 portals in PoE1. It would literally work the exact same way.

Because of the way that they have designed mechanics to be not guaranteed every single map or bosses. And the loot that is dropped.

Whats stopping someone from killing the boss (which has the major loot) and then dying to some pack of mobs to rush through and farm it again?

Thats the abuse case they are referring to. They seem to want things designed around maps not ALWAYS having XYZ mechanic, or a boss.

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peter1990ex#0531 wrote:

What bonus mechanics? There's only one Waystone. If they fail 6 times on a white map, it counts as a failed map and all the map bonuses disappear. I don't understand how this could be abused. We have 6 portals in PoE1. It would literally work the exact same way.

Basically, I'm saying in the presence of breaches, rituals, bosses, etc being removed on map failure, this would produce a situation where players who don't feel completely confident about their build, abilities, or connection might feel it would be preferable to attempt maps with those kinds of things using a lower tier waystone that still grants backup portals.

I guess I could be more clear of my meaning, its not so much of an abuse perse as it is a game design that would come with a potential to encourage some backpeddling on your challenge rating more than it should.

Like I said, mixed feelings...I'm not strictly against it, I just would rather that the game encourages challenging yourself as much as possible.

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peter1990ex#0531 wrote:

We have 6 portals in PoE1. It would literally work the exact same way.

That is what baffles me... the mechanic and coding for 6 portals = 6 attempts without abuse was already a staple in PoE 1. How they could backward so much in this aspect?

This one death per waystone is just ridiculous. Make it like it was for 12 years... 6 portals, 6 attempts, mobs not respawn, instance is snapshoted where the player died.

Same thing in the campaing, which is great, the only detriment is the instance reset when player dies... why? WTF

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Bigwilleh#1842 wrote:

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peter1990ex#0531 wrote:

What bonus mechanics? There's only one Waystone. If they fail 6 times on a white map, it counts as a failed map and all the map bonuses disappear. I don't understand how this could be abused. We have 6 portals in PoE1. It would literally work the exact same way.

Basically, I'm saying in the presence of breaches, rituals, bosses, etc being removed on map failure, this would produce a situation where players who don't feel completely confident about their build, abilities, or connection might feel it would be preferable to attempt maps with those kinds of things using a lower tier waystone that still grants backup portals.

I guess I could be more clear of my meaning, its not so much of an abuse perse as it is a game design that would come with a potential to encourage some backpeddling on your challenge rating more than it should.

Like I said, mixed feelings...I'm not strictly against it, I just would rather that the game encourages challenging yourself as much as possible.

Oh okay. I understand now. So basically they get more attempts at certain league mechanics. I don't really see this as a problem.

It wouldn't work with Breach because it would close by the time you re-enter. It would work with Ritual & Excavation though but I don't see this as a problem at all. If anything, it tells the devs that those league mechanics are overtuned if people are too afraid to do them in red maps. Ritual right now is overtuned for example. I can't do Ritual on my SSF character. I'm literally forced to avoid it. I think this is a bigger problem. Players shouldn't be incentivized to skip league mechanics IMO. I want to do Ritual but with only 1 portal I have no choice but to avoid it.

Would I run Ritual on yellow maps instead of farm red maps? Probably not. There's a trade off. You get less XP and worse drops overall. I don't think it would be worth it for most people.

I don't think losing the map is terrible. It feels a bit bad after having lost the XP, especially with OPs original point of some

1. Jank rare mechanics
2. Said rare mechanics not being immediately visually present without reading a list of 10ish lines of affixes
3. Group play being absolutely bananas in its current state. Not sure what the scaling is, but it's seriously _off_ in some fashion.

Having to wait for your buddy to clear a map is also painful. We need to either allow N number resurrections (similar to arbiter where you get 6 lives now)

OR

At least add a 'spectate' mode so I can watch my friend clear instead of 'Dead' empty screen, or leaving the map and waiting in the hideout.

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peter1990ex#0531 wrote:

It wouldn't work with Breach because it would close by the time you re-enter.

It actually would work with breach so long as you are playing solo, and you have the presence of mind to put down your portal near the breach before you open it.

I have actually had game client crashes mid breach and come back in a couple minutes later once my potato sorts itself out and carried right on; I'm pretty sure that the server suspends all ongoing processes when there is nobody left in the map.

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peter1990ex#0531 wrote:

Oh okay. I understand now. So basically they get more attempts at certain league mechanics. I don't really see this as a problem.

It wouldn't work with Breach because it would close by the time you re-enter. It would work with Ritual & Excavation though but I don't see this as a problem at all. If anything, it tells the devs that those league mechanics are overtuned if people are too afraid to do them in red maps. Ritual right now is overtuned for example. I can't do Ritual on my SSF character. I'm literally forced to avoid it. I think this is a bigger problem. Players shouldn't be incentivized to skip league mechanics IMO. I want to do Ritual but with only 1 portal I have no choice but to avoid it.

I have the same impression. If people are avoiding the mechanics at higher levels something is wrong with the mechanic.

Ritual is just broken, not because it is hard.. but, because the spawn locations. The Ritual tree always spawn in a cramped or very obstructed space, and looks it was caoded this way intentionally. If we can't one shot the spawning mobs, embrace the fate of death.