The 3 easiest Div factories all have 1 thing in common

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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exsea#1724 wrote:

i wonder why governments require motorcyclists to wear helmets and fine those who dont wear them.

surely motorcyclists are adults that can make conscious decisions to check things properly and never ever make mistakes in their lives.

but i ll guess i ll never know. people should be responsible for their mistakes. who needs safeguards amirite?

:D

most of such regulations are just PR/liability protections/or sources of income for the government unfortunately. ever wondered why a 'chopper helmet' is ok even tho its a literal metal can? and they don't even check certs on most helmets? that shit is on you, together with a proper jacket

depends on government i guess. in my country a lot of things need to be certified by the government.

but i do agree, sometimes things are just PR and out of "to make things easy".

i m pro weed but my local gov classified weed as a drug similar to hard drugs such as heroin or cocaine. you can hang for carrying large amounts of weed.

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exsea#1724 wrote:

depends on government i guess. in my country a lot of things need to be certified by the government.

but i do agree, sometimes things are just PR and out of "to make things easy".

i m pro weed but my local gov classified weed as a drug similar to hard drugs such as heroin or cocaine. you can hang for carrying large amounts of weed.

edit- i think i know where you from and im a bit jealous lol

thats good i know few countries check certs for most things, and have pretty robust legal systems. but most others are for show and sell illusion of safety to some extent. also in my country weed is ok but there is a good amount of scientific data showing its harmful for ppl under 25, so there is that

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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exsea#1724 wrote:

depends on government i guess. in my country a lot of things need to be certified by the government.

but i do agree, sometimes things are just PR and out of "to make things easy".

i m pro weed but my local gov classified weed as a drug similar to hard drugs such as heroin or cocaine. you can hang for carrying large amounts of weed.

edit- i think i know where you from and im a bit jealous lol

thats good i know few countries check certs for most things, and have pretty robust legal systems. but most others are for show and sell illusion of safety to some extent. also in my country weed is ok but there is a good amount of scientific data showing its harmful for ppl under 25, so there is that

if you say jealous then i think ure thinking of my neighbour. lol
i m from the malaysia. good food cheap lifestyle but poor currency exchange and if you're not "local local" you have a lot of "hard caps".

most non "local locals" in my country aspire to migrate to our neighbour.

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exsea#1724 wrote:

if you say jealous then i think ure thinking of my neighbour. lol
i m from the malaysia. good food cheap lifestyle but poor currency exchange and if you're not "local local" you have a lot of "hard caps".

most non "local locals" in my country aspire to migrate to our neighbour.

ah you are correct, didn't expect that answer lol. in that case i'm surprised about the regulations for road safety being so diligent.

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exsea#1724 wrote:

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Tumulten#3988 wrote:

1. Dupers/exploiters get banned.

2. How can you even scam on the currency exchange? It tells you value of stuff and even if you where to accidentally list it for wrong price there's no way for a scammer to guarantee he will be the one to buy it.

3. If you get scammed that way its your own fault

1. agreed
2. agreed
3. look at the victim blamer lol.

its 2025 and we still have people blaming scam victims

Overlooking currency being swapped during a trade with divine is clearly worth being blamed for .

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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exsea#1724 wrote:

if you say jealous then i think ure thinking of my neighbour. lol
i m from the malaysia. good food cheap lifestyle but poor currency exchange and if you're not "local local" you have a lot of "hard caps".

most non "local locals" in my country aspire to migrate to our neighbour.

ah you are correct, didn't expect that answer lol. in that case i'm surprised about the regulations for road safety being so diligent.

they dont really check tbh. most officers just care about you wearing a helmet.

heck in malaysia you're supposed to get a roughly 60USD fine for smoking in eateries but after the first few months ZERO enforcement.

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exsea#1724 wrote:

they dont really check tbh. most officers just care about you wearing a helmet.

heck in malaysia you're supposed to get a roughly 60USD fine for smoking in eateries but after the first few months ZERO enforcement.

sounds familiar then. its wild when you get into a situation with a serious problem and find out laws surrounding that are either technically unenforceable or brushed of as well. world is an illusion exile

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oestergreen#1184 wrote:

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Pathological#1188 wrote:

Most scams in existence rely on inept or lazy end-users, that doesn't make them not scams. The fact that the game makes you mouseover items does not make it less of a scam.

If scams didn't work, people wouldn't scam. If scams led to bans, people wouldn't scam. If GGG said "no scamming" tomorrow, the practice would be dead in the water tomorrow. At that exact point onward, every trade that came from the website could be immediately checked against the trade that took place.

The singular reason GGG allows scamming is because they would have to pay someone to follow up on the reports, and it's easier to let the community continue blaming victims like in this thread.

I have never, ever been scammed in PoE, and I can still say with complete certainty that there is zero reason for scamming to exist in PoE. It is a bad choice to allow it.

Now try to think rationally and lets play out your scenario where GGG bans people for clicking "accept trade".

You're saying that you agree the trade window prevents scams and so scammers rely on lazy/inept people in order to scam (your own words), i.e. people who don't bother reading and just click accept blindly.

So, lets say you get "scammed" in this way and you report the other guy.
GGG bans him.

Ok, what happens when someone exits a map with a full inventory to do a trade and accidentally ctrl-clicks the wrong wand into the trade window and the other user clicks accept without reading because he's lazy.

Neither of these 2 ppl are deceptive scammers, but suddenly, maybe a minute later the guy who got the wrong wand, realizes it when equipping it and then reports the other guy for trade scamming.

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Require the reporting party to attempt to contact the other party first and wait 24 hours before actioning. Freeze reported currency to account on report so it cannot be traded away before resolution. Restrict number of reports to 1 per (day/week/month) to avoid exploitation.

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This is a very real scenario that literally happens and how should GGG prove when someone DECEPTIVELY tries to trade the wrong item, vs someone making a legit mistake?

As per above; if someone refuses to clarify or resolve the reported trade, it becomes actionable.

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And what level of responsibility should fall on the guy for accepting the wrong trade without reading the item HE wanted to buy?

None; the system should be automated so that you get specifically what you buy at the price the seller lists it for. This is the only reason scams can exist at all.

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Oh ok, see? this is why GGG has very normal and adult rules...
Rules that say, you are responsible for checking items in trade when you buy something and click "accept trade" ... and if you don't bother doing that and you end up with a fake item, the fault lies not in the system, but in YOU.

Normal adult rules that are specifically protected against in real life, because people fail all the time and shouldn't lose their life savings as a result when someone else decides to exploit it.

Scams take advantage of human psychology, and they work. As I said; the MAJORITY of scams rely on the victim willingly giving away their property to a bad actor by failing to do appropriate checks and balances, and they are still protected by law. The idea that you should just "not get scammed" is demonstrably nonsensical and entirely ignores reality. There will never be a time that people don't fall for scams; the only way to combat them is to ban them, put measures in place that forcibly stop them (that don't rely on human error not happening, because it does), and action accounts that partake in them.

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Tumulten#3988 wrote:

1. Dupers/exploiters get banned.

2. How can you even scam on the currency exchange? It tells you value of stuff and even if you where to accidentally list it for wrong price there's no way for a scammer to guarantee he will be the one to buy it.

3. If you get scammed that way its your own fault

1. less than 10% of the accounts tracked to the Temporalis duping via trade were banned.

2. It's via trade channel taking advantage of players who don't know how to properly use currency exchange. This was the number 1 way to generate currency during the first month of the game and has 0 justification for being allowed.

3. No. Consumer protection laws exist for a reason. Anyone who is intentionally currency or item swapping should be permanently banned.

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oestergreen#1184 wrote:

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exsea#1724 wrote:

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oestergreen#1184 wrote:

You've been given the gold medal of participation your entire life and now you won't even take responsibility for what you click "accept trade" on.

Do you really think other people are the problem? smh.

keep going! you're doing a fantastic job of validating my statement about you :D

Likewise.

The trade-screen is a contract, people can't "trick you" with it.
If they add something and then change it, the screen literally un-accepts and goes red for 5 seconds to force you to re-read and re-accept the trade or exit the deal.

If you can get yourself scammed with that much protection, please accept that it's a you issue, you being lazy to check what you're trading and instead just calling yourself a "victim" lmao.

This level of mouth breather response is hard to fathom. Do you think players should have to deal with constantly having items swapped out for worse versions and currency swapped out? When you trade a 6 mod ring and someone swaps in similar but worse, how long are you taking to scan over every single stat every single trade? Why force the player to do this rather than simply banning players who trade scam to deter others from doing it?

Unless that is, you are a scammer and think this is ok