Integrate trading in-game

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Bacon_Overlord#1834 wrote:

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Dxt44#4050 wrote:

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Bacon_Overlord#1834 wrote:

"Trading was there from the beginning"
"You didnt had premium tabs"

I think you're conflating "trading" with the trading SYSTEM we're referencing that is currently still the barely functioning bandaid they created in POE 1.

Nonsense. Your 'we' is just you

Said the guy going up and down the forums calling people "tourists" when he just created his account 2 years ago?

I'll take that with a big, fat grain of salt.

Thanks.

maybe you can discuss with somebody with an 2015 account like me. btw, dont listening to somebodies opinion because of only 2 year old account is kinda childish dont you think?
i understand trading sometimes is annoying, especially for new players that dont know much about it. but i think the most problems trading has, are not about the system itself, its about the players.
in my experience, if you want to buy something at a decent price, you will hardly have any problems. and if you ignore the first 5 people on cheap things, you get a trade most of the times really fast too.

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

maybe you can discuss with somebody with an 2015 account like me. btw, dont listening to somebodies opinion because of only 2 year old account is kinda childish dont you think?
i understand trading sometimes is annoying, especially for new players that dont know much about it. but i think the most problems trading has, are not about the system itself, its about the players.
in my experience, if you want to buy something at a decent price, you will hardly have any problems. and if you ignore the first 5 people on cheap things, you get a trade most of the times really fast too.

If you're saying I'm not listening because of the age of his account then you didn't read before you got involved...

Yes, the players are the problem, which is why the trading system needs to be fixed.

That's the entire point of this whole thread, bud.

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Bacon_Overlord#1834 wrote:

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

maybe you can discuss with somebody with an 2015 account like me. btw, dont listening to somebodies opinion because of only 2 year old account is kinda childish dont you think?
i understand trading sometimes is annoying, especially for new players that dont know much about it. but i think the most problems trading has, are not about the system itself, its about the players.
in my experience, if you want to buy something at a decent price, you will hardly have any problems. and if you ignore the first 5 people on cheap things, you get a trade most of the times really fast too.

If you're saying I'm not listening because of the age of his account then you didn't read before you got involved...

Yes, the players are the problem, which is why the trading system needs to be fixed.

That's the entire point of this whole thread, bud.

right now in my experience we have so damn many new players, half of them is insta inviting me into group after whispering me for a trade, or start trading the moment they come to my hideout. thats annoying, but again not a problem of the trade system in my opinion. its a lack of experience of new players. they have to learn, problems will become less. an automated system would maybe solve some issues, but causing many others.

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

maybe you can discuss with somebody with an 2015 account like me. btw, dont listening to somebodies opinion because of only 2 year old account is kinda childish dont you think?
i understand trading sometimes is annoying, especially for new players that dont know much about it. but i think the most problems trading has, are not about the system itself, its about the players.
in my experience, if you want to buy something at a decent price, you will hardly have any problems. and if you ignore the first 5 people on cheap things, you get a trade most of the times really fast too.

It depends. On some things I'll get responses fairly reliably -- on other things I can go through a page of people and not get responses.

After all who would want to burn a portal on a T16++ Juiced breech just to make a 1 EX sale??


Other than the trade friction that GGG wants to have in game what would it hurt to have at least some [limited] form of automation in the game??

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

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Bacon_Overlord#1834 wrote:

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

maybe you can discuss with somebody with an 2015 account like me. btw, dont listening to somebodies opinion because of only 2 year old account is kinda childish dont you think?
i understand trading sometimes is annoying, especially for new players that dont know much about it. but i think the most problems trading has, are not about the system itself, its about the players.
in my experience, if you want to buy something at a decent price, you will hardly have any problems. and if you ignore the first 5 people on cheap things, you get a trade most of the times really fast too.

If you're saying I'm not listening because of the age of his account then you didn't read before you got involved...

Yes, the players are the problem, which is why the trading system needs to be fixed.

That's the entire point of this whole thread, bud.

right now in my experience we have so damn many new players, half of them is insta inviting me into group after whispering me for a trade, or start trading the moment they come to my hideout. thats annoying, but again not a problem of the trade system in my opinion. its a lack of experience of new players. they have to learn, problems will become less. an automated system would maybe solve some issues, but causing many others.

How are you not seeing that this isn't an issue with players as much as design flaws in the game itself?

It simply DOES NOT HAVE A TRADING MECHANIC at all... that's why people have to go to other people's hideouts to trade, that's why we're opening trade windows, that's why people keep getting scammed, that's why the trade cost-creep is at a dead sprint, that's why we miss sales, that's why we keep having to stop in the middle of a map to go sell something, that's why we can't sell things offline.. the list goes on and on and on and on.

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

right now in my experience we have so damn many new players, half of them is insta inviting me into group after whispering me for a trade, or start trading the moment they come to my hideout. thats annoying, but again not a problem of the trade system in my opinion. its a lack of experience of new players. they have to learn, problems will become less. an automated system would maybe solve some issues, but causing many others.

I'm curious. What are the downsides of having some additional automation with trading?? I can only think of a couple but YMMV.

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KingAlamar#4071 wrote:

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

maybe you can discuss with somebody with an 2015 account like me. btw, dont listening to somebodies opinion because of only 2 year old account is kinda childish dont you think?
i understand trading sometimes is annoying, especially for new players that dont know much about it. but i think the most problems trading has, are not about the system itself, its about the players.
in my experience, if you want to buy something at a decent price, you will hardly have any problems. and if you ignore the first 5 people on cheap things, you get a trade most of the times really fast too.

It depends. On some things I'll get responses fairly reliably -- on other things I can go through a page of people and not get responses.

After all who would want to burn a portal on a T16++ Juiced breech just to make a 1 EX sale??


Other than the trade friction that GGG wants to have in game what would it hurt to have at least some [limited] form of automation in the game??

that 1 exalt trade becoming less and less successful thats true. personally i dont list anything below 3 exalts atm, changing to 5 soon. because i simply dont want to leave maps constantly for 1 or 2 orbs. the loss in time isnt worth anymore. people should overthink their listings and if they dont want to trade for 1 exalt, stop listings things for 1 exalt.

The role the trade website fills could be completely replaced by better loot drops and deterministic crafting.

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

that 1 exalt trade becoming less and less successful thats true. personally i dont list anything below 3 exalts atm, changing to 5 soon. because i simply dont want to leave maps constantly for 1 or 2 orbs. the loss in time isnt worth anymore. people should overthink their listings and if they dont want to trade for 1 exalt, stop listings things for 1 exalt.

That's actually one of the reasons that I'd like some (?) additional automation. This way we hopefully have a wider and deeper economy which benefits many people across various levels of progression.

Of course, eventually, you won't want to even bother with 1 EX dump tabs and that makes perfect sense. However if you don't mind shoving something in a dump tab that would improve my character then I'd be happy to have you still in the lower end of the economy.

Still if you would have 3 EX, 5 EX, or 10 EX dump tabs that still helps plenty of people. After all even a bad [and casual] build like mine can farm up 10 EX without serious difficulties -- just takes time.

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KingAlamar#4071 wrote:

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

right now in my experience we have so damn many new players, half of them is insta inviting me into group after whispering me for a trade, or start trading the moment they come to my hideout. thats annoying, but again not a problem of the trade system in my opinion. its a lack of experience of new players. they have to learn, problems will become less. an automated system would maybe solve some issues, but causing many others.

I'm curious. What are the downsides of having some additional automation with trading?? I can only think of a couple but YMMV.

it would be much easier and faster for bots. on top the chance of making a good deal would be gone because everything thats unterpriced would be instantly bought. thats especially bad for new players that cant value their items properly. right now they list something to cheap, getting 20 whispers and thinking "oh damn, thats a good item, i relist it for 5 divine instead of 5 exalts". with automation, 1 of the 5000 livesearch bots would have instantly bought it, the new player would not even notice the mistake and not learn anything about item value.