Exp loss on death topics are getting out of hand.

The feedback forums has been the most toxic thing I've ever seen. I don't think the devs actually look at this forum anymore, because it's just extremely uselss with all the PoE 'veterans' spawning negative threads constantly. And it's the same people that keep making these threads and commenting on them 24/7

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nitefox1337#3569 wrote:

In PoE the only End Game gameplay is killing monsters. Thats it.

Not just that. The only way to kill monsters in endgame is smashing AOE button. So all classes and builds feels the same in the endgame. Well except witch who doesn't have to press any buttons.

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Gimatria#7361 wrote:

The feedback forums has been the most toxic thing I've ever seen. I don't think the devs actually look at this forum anymore, because it's just extremely uselss with all the PoE 'veterans' spawning negative threads constantly. And it's the same people that keep making these threads and commenting on them 24/7

If just critics = negative, then they should close their company down.

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TheFriggenBest#6781 wrote:

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tarloch#1873 wrote:

I dont like it i am of an age where games used to have an end, you paid your money had your entertainment and moved on

the current trend is for a neverending subscription model (infecting all walks of life). the free to play and season model here is exactly that, that is why they want to keep antiquated ideas like xp lose on death. to keep you grinding...endlessly

i cant see the xp lose staying in its current form on full release. if it does prepare for the game to be dropped by a huge proportion of the playerbase.

what are you left with them? a niche game trying to be ground breaking and failing. understand i dont want easy or fast and grinding doesnt put me off.
but i do want progress and to entertained not heavily punished by in explicable one shot or be forced to constantly run safe low xp challenge maps

Im quite happy with playing for say a month having fun maxing my character and moving on to come back for the next refresh

if things dont change then i cant see me personally coming back and back its 2025 my time is valuable if i want endless farmville i will play one of my mothers mobile games

But what is it about getting to 100 that you so desperately need to be able to get there? Are you going to quit when you reach level 100? Getting there isn't going to unlock anything you don't already have access too. It's not gonna make you any stronger unless for some reason you think a couple 10-15% passive nodes are really that strong.

You gain nothing be getting to 100 other then a level number going up, is 100 just a place you get to to say you "finished" the game?

I see your point, i guess i am completionist and will probably get to 100 atleast once even with the current xp lose

one of the issues i have is it promotes a stale boring gameloop that i will have no interest in repeating.

I advocated for losing xp on the current map only. so you can still have a penalty and stall progression but can atleast try a more risky playstyle

dont forget we lose alot upon death not just xp. that seems overly punishing and needs revisited.
slightly off topic but i dont see anyone complaining about the portal changes to boss fights, if that can be addressed for the few who are doing them why cant normal map concerns be looked at. which i assume is were the majority of players will be

In campaign you can go into a boss, die then just release and go back in....over and over and over. It feels really good when you finally beat the boss.

Then comes mapping and you're forced to do so many layouts that are horrible. Not all maps have bosses. The map is random so there are plenty of horrible positioning of maps to towers. You get 1 chance on ANY map and after you lose to a map you're forced to do it again without the events.

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TheFriggenBest#6781 wrote:

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tarloch#1873 wrote:

I dont like it i am of an age where games used to have an end, you paid your money had your entertainment and moved on

the current trend is for a neverending subscription model (infecting all walks of life). the free to play and season model here is exactly that, that is why they want to keep antiquated ideas like xp lose on death. to keep you grinding...endlessly

i cant see the xp lose staying in its current form on full release. if it does prepare for the game to be dropped by a huge proportion of the playerbase.

what are you left with them? a niche game trying to be ground breaking and failing. understand i dont want easy or fast and grinding doesnt put me off.
but i do want progress and to entertained not heavily punished by in explicable one shot or be forced to constantly run safe low xp challenge maps

Im quite happy with playing for say a month having fun maxing my character and moving on to come back for the next refresh

if things dont change then i cant see me personally coming back and back its 2025 my time is valuable if i want endless farmville i will play one of my mothers mobile games

But what is it about getting to 100 that you so desperately need to be able to get there? Are you going to quit when you reach level 100? Getting there isn't going to unlock anything you don't already have access too. It's not gonna make you any stronger unless for some reason you think a couple 10-15% passive nodes are really that strong.

You gain nothing be getting to 100 other then a level number going up, is 100 just a place you get to to say you "finished" the game?

Isn't that the dev's perspective, though, that players would consider 100 to be done, so the penalty is designed to lengthen the process?

I mean, I don't know that of course, but why else have the penalty? The core game loop for an ARPG is power creep - you bash things, you get shinies, sometimes they'll be an upgrade for you, and round and round you go until you can beat the most difficult content in the game easily with the rarest, most OP stuff you can find. You want levels for all of your skills - but is max level an achievement in that model really? It seems to be in this one.

I got to 90 on my witch today and am not intending to aim for 100 but just to take more risks with the existing content. But in principle, I am against taking something away from the player (exp) that was earned fairly prior to the content they died in. Its purpose seems to exist merely to lengthen what is already a longer and longer exp curve.

it isn't intended to lengthen, the fact you get increasingly less xp as you get a larger and larger xp penalty as you level is intended to lengthen.

Its intended to prevent, its an important distinction to make because some players just fight against it when its literally fulfilling its purpose when players accept they aren't going to get any higher, or adjust their playstyle/gear/build TO get higher.

The problem of PoE 2 is that it's gameplay is way better than PoE1 therefore they will get way more backlash, until Tencent tell them to do what Casuals want.

Explanation:

PoE1 Gameplay and Graphics, weird camera angle, super dark atmosphere, abysimmal drops, were already chasing Casuals away before they could even reach the point where the XP Loss begins. Only a specific number of ARPG fans kept playing PoE1 making it a "niche ARPG".

That's why when Casuals were leaving PoE1, there wasn't much fuss about it. Casuals didn't care, devs didn't care, poe fans didn't care. They just left poe fans in their diablo 2 phase and left.

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But PoE2 Gameplay, graphics, Camera angle, atmosphere is way better than PoE1 and the gameplay is very close to Diablo 3. It's evidently aiming to reach a wider audience. And it did at start as you can see on the Steam Chart.

But you can also see that the wider casual audience is leaving at the same pace because while PoE2 is trying to reach a wider audience, it contradicts itself by keeping obsolete Anti-Casual mechanics like XP Loss, Encumbrant Inventory demanding too many trips into town to make the salvaging mechanic work, Abysimmal drops, etc...

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Jaenisch#6703 wrote:

In campaign you can go into a boss, die then just release and go back in....over and over and over. It feels really good when you finally beat the boss.

Then comes mapping and you're forced to do so many layouts that are horrible. Not all maps have bosses. The map is random so there are plenty of horrible positioning of maps to towers. You get 1 chance on ANY map and after you lose to a map you're forced to do it again without the events.

the campaign is the souls like part. learn the boss mechanics overcome and feel a sense of achievement

maps is the opposite all i get from it is what was that that killed me i cant see anything...wait my map items and progress are gone.

doesnt feel right i can die in a heartbeat, all that leaves me with is a sense of being cheated. definetly not souls gameplay as was widely hyped

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clarebunny440#7952 wrote:

Isn't that the dev's perspective, though, that players would consider 100 to be done, so the penalty is designed to lengthen the process?

I mean, I don't know that of course, but why else have the penalty? The core game loop for an ARPG is power creep - you bash things, you get shinies, sometimes they'll be an upgrade for you, and round and round you go until you can beat the most difficult content in the game easily with the rarest, most OP stuff you can find. You want levels for all of your skills - but is max level an achievement in that model really? It seems to be in this one.

I got to 90 on my witch today and am not intending to aim for 100 but just to take more risks with the existing content. But in principle, I am against taking something away from the player (exp) that was earned fairly prior to the content they died in. Its purpose seems to exist merely to lengthen what is already a longer and longer exp curve.

I would assume it is the developer perspective, even still, if you can reach 100 with gear that in no way let's you be able to clear the end game bosses and actually survive just because you stay there grinding and dying with bad gear one could say you shouldnt considered yourself "finished" at reaching 100 anyway.

Reaching 100 requires you to be able to get gear to actually survive the content. Getting there in low tier gear that you die with every other map in no way constitutes "finishing" the game. So reaching the max level with bad gear because there's no exp penalty seems the opposite of what would make sense for 100 being the "end" of the game. Getting to 100 would require you to be at a point you can successfully clear the most difficult content and bosses so that would be fully juiced t16 and all bosses at difficulty +4, and if you are strong enough to do that believe me you aren't on here complaining about exp loss.