Exp loss on death topics are getting out of hand.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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Nyon#6673 wrote:

Try instead to actually form an argument of what the benedit of having no penalty on desth would be. Instead of just whining about why you hate it.

The argument is that it's bad and sucks and not fun. That's a good enough reason, people are literally quitting the game over it.

That isn't an argument, its your own opinion nor the goal of this post. Someone else already explained it to you yet you still force your own logic. I mean I knew that we were not gonna see eye to eye but, at the very least, you still deserve some reply since you aren't so toxic.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

I don't have to prove anything to anyone lmao

The steam numbers will say it all, then we'll see just how many people think losing exp and maps is fun. Most are still in campaign, give it a few weeks for people to reach endgame and realize just how terrible it is.

Your just spouting the same nonsense on repeat.

"Omg the steam numbers are so bad"
"Omg every1 is quitting the game its gonna be dead in 2 weeks unless ggg make it like i want"

Your not convincing any1.
Your not contributing with anything.

The game is doing incredibly well.
So far its a huge success. Its still in ea so theres gonna be alot of changes.

But exp loss on death is a change i think is highly unlikely since ggg has alredy made their stand on this very clear in poe1. And poe1 was also a massive success

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

I don't have to prove anything to anyone lmao

The steam numbers will say it all, then we'll see just how many people think losing exp and maps is fun. Most are still in campaign, give it a few weeks for people to reach endgame and realize just how terrible it is.

Steamdb POE 2 player count



Steam IS saying it all. Losses are expected over these 2 weeks but look at the numbers.Do you just reply to threads without checking the numbers?

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

I mean, Steam IS saying it all. Losses are expected over these 2 weeks but look at the numbers. I mean do you just reply to threads without checking the numbers?

Yes, the numbers are bad. It's lost 200k players in 2 weeks. And this isn't a normal league launch, that's horrible retention.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

I mean, Steam IS saying it all. Losses are expected over these 2 weeks but look at the numbers. I mean do you just reply to threads without checking the numbers?

Yes, the numbers are bad. It's lost 200k players in 2 weeks. And this isn't a normal league launch, that's horrible retention.

I will let this one do the explaining since you might understand him better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGXPa3n13I&t=456s

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

I mean, Steam IS saying it all. Losses are expected over these 2 weeks but look at the numbers. I mean do you just reply to threads without checking the numbers?

Yes, the numbers are bad. It's lost 200k players in 2 weeks. And this isn't a normal league launch, that's horrible retention.

Sorry but your just making it more and more obvious that you have no idea what your talking about.

1. This isnt a league launch. Its an ea release in the middle of christmas holiday

2. That player retention is insanely good for an ea game

3. Its 100% irrelevant

The people who disagree with you, you wont convince with talking about how bad the steam numbers are.

If its meant as feedback to ggg then they are alredy more aware then you what the situation is.

Its just a poor escape plan everytime you fail to make an argument you stop talking about the subject and instead start blabbering about steam numbers which a) are irrelevant in terms of your feedback or this discussion and b) your obviously clueless about

XP loss on death serves no purpose other than waste your time.
Remove it entirely.

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Moisesu#3211 wrote:

XP loss on death serves no purpose other than waste your time.
Remove it entirely.

Yep, exactly.

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

You're just wrong about the oneshots, PoE 2 is full of them lmao

Also enjoy your dead game with Ruthless player numbers if GGG refuses to make some big changes in the game during EA and stick to their "Vision". This exp loss and 1 death per map bs is what will be the thing that makes most people quit. Why do you think Hardcore doesn't have that many players? Just take a few minutes and really analyze that. People do not like losing progress on death, forcing pseudo-hardcore onto softcore players=players quit.

Yes, you people keep saying dead game. Its been 2 weeks I think? and Steam player count alone is saying otherwise. POE 2 has many one shots? I was farming Xesht difficulty 4 and he isn't one shotting me? I'm doing delirious breach t15+ and haven't gotten one shot? Maybe I can help with your build? Your recent replies to threads suggest that you are really in need of a break.

I agree game is not dead however the one shots are real due to imbalance between es and life/armour. Not every build or class has equal access to sufficient defences and the whole idea is not to be forced to play cookie cutter 20k es builds and specific archetypes to be able to play endgame.
Now obviously the skill tree has huge opportunities for scaling massive amounts of es and basically zero ways of scaling life, not only this but armour is more or less useless due to how the equation works and the diminishing returns + no access to determination or any other ways of scaling it besides the flat armour from ur gear and the % nodes in the tree.
Even a basic es build with a bit of es nodes from the tree and maybe a cloak of flame or ghostwrithe is already more tanky than a char with 15-20k armour who spend half his skill points for this when taking larger hit which seems like the norm in poe 2. Yes armour is great against small hits the only problem is they dont really exist in endgame maps and soo many mobs have armour break and on top of this most builds wont be able to scale enough hp at all.
So in the end its not about u helping people make a cookie cutter meta build, but providing actual feedback about balance so we might end up with a game where u dont need to use a specific char or defence type to play endgame maps

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Moisesu#3211 wrote:

XP loss on death serves no purpose other than waste your time.
Remove it entirely.

Serves no purpose? Tell me, is it gonna be fun if we all spec to dps and ignore defense? If your answer is yes, then that is your opinion.